Teesside-2
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Teesside
Posts: 644
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Many thanks for your kind reply, so it sounds like about 9 or 10 tonnes a week in and out, doesn't sound profitable.
The mayor just can't help exaggerating, claiming FedEx are the largest when UPS and DHL are larger, and 8 UPS flights a week, that works out at about...3 tonnes on each flight , surely that's not economical , or am I missing something.?{
The mayor just can't help exaggerating, claiming FedEx are the largest when UPS and DHL are larger, and 8 UPS flights a week, that works out at about...3 tonnes on each flight , surely that's not economical , or am I missing something.?{
Not sure how accurate this is, so don't shoot the messenger, but on www.statista.com, it shows in the Americas at least in 2021, Fedex had 44% market share, UPS had 33% and DHL had 20%. I suspect though the figures could be different in Europe or if taken through a global lens. And is 'big' defined as revenue, market share, flights, tonnes, profitability, employees? All could yield different rankings.
This is undoubtedly good news for the airport and builds the portfolio. None of us at this stage have any idea if it will be profitable or not but you would expect that it should be, or will be eventually.
Will holiday makers care? At the headline level, probably not. But if this portfolio build secures a long term airport, there is an increased chance of holidaymakers having a local airport to fly from and they are more likely to care about that.
I can imagine a birthday party in Bill's household. Everyone singing and wishing many happy returns to the individual when Bill joins in..."Ah but, you're another year closer to dying now aren't you.".....
Last edited by P330; 18th Mar 2024 at 16:09.
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Teesside
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Airport's Press Release
The operation will provide capacity for 196,000 lbs of cargo to be transported through the airport each week.
So that equates to about 11 Tonnes per flight and just under 89 Tonnes a week, times 52 weeks puts that at just over 4,600 Tonnes per year.
The 737 can carry about 20 Tonnes, so the press release is saying half the capacity on the flight for Teesside.
The operation will provide capacity for 196,000 lbs of cargo to be transported through the airport each week.
So that equates to about 11 Tonnes per flight and just under 89 Tonnes a week, times 52 weeks puts that at just over 4,600 Tonnes per year.
The 737 can carry about 20 Tonnes, so the press release is saying half the capacity on the flight for Teesside.
Glad to see you did your calculations on tonnes.
Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: Uk
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
In Global data UPS shows as having the most revenue with DHL second, I'm sure there's a way of interrupting FedEx as the largest
I can see this as a much bigger win for FedEx a sensible move, for them, this is a win, win for Houchen, he gets a bit more revenue and lots of glory ,
I can see this as a much bigger win for FedEx a sensible move, for them, this is a win, win for Houchen, he gets a bit more revenue and lots of glory ,
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Teesside
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There will be inbound cargo for sure as it is feeding into a large area from Teesside. Distribution will be up towards Tyne, Wear & Northumberland, across to Cumbria and the Lakes and down to Yorkshire and the Humber with everywhere in between. What I guess the journey would be Paris - Edinburgh - Teesside - Paris rotation. So Teesside allocation can be on board from Paris.
Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: Uk
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not like you Bill to turn a good news story into another doom laden post?
Not sure how accurate this is, so don't shoot the messenger, but on www.statista.com, it shows in the Americas at least in 2021, Fedex had 44% market share, UPS had 33% and DHL had 20%. I suspect though the figures could be different in Europe or if taken through a global lens. And is 'big' defined as revenue, market share, flights, tonnes, profitability, employees? All could yield different rankings.
This is undoubtedly good news for the airport and builds the portfolio. None of us at this stage have any idea if it will be profitable or not but you would expect that it should be, or will be eventually.
Will holiday makers care? At the headline level, probably not. But if this portfolio build secures a long term airport, there is an increased chance of holidaymakers having a local airport to fly from and they are more likely to care about that.
I can imagine a birthday party in Bill's household. Everyone singing and wishing many happy returns to the individual when Bill joins in..."Ah but, you're another year closer to dying now aren't you.".....
Not sure how accurate this is, so don't shoot the messenger, but on www.statista.com, it shows in the Americas at least in 2021, Fedex had 44% market share, UPS had 33% and DHL had 20%. I suspect though the figures could be different in Europe or if taken through a global lens. And is 'big' defined as revenue, market share, flights, tonnes, profitability, employees? All could yield different rankings.
This is undoubtedly good news for the airport and builds the portfolio. None of us at this stage have any idea if it will be profitable or not but you would expect that it should be, or will be eventually.
Will holiday makers care? At the headline level, probably not. But if this portfolio build secures a long term airport, there is an increased chance of holidaymakers having a local airport to fly from and they are more likely to care about that.
I can imagine a birthday party in Bill's household. Everyone singing and wishing many happy returns to the individual when Bill joins in..."Ah but, you're another year closer to dying now aren't you.".....
There will be inbound cargo for sure as it is feeding into a large area from Teesside. Distribution will be up towards Tyne, Wear & Northumberland, across to Cumbria and the Lakes and down to Yorkshire and the Humber with everywhere in between. What I guess the journey would be Paris - Edinburgh - Teesside - Paris rotation. So Teesside allocation can be on board from Paris.
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: North Yorkshire
Age: 36
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There seems to be an undercurrent of criticism in the lack of an inbound flight which is totally unjustified, I think we need to view this as A) a new high for the airport in air cargo ops and B) one in the eye for Newcastle (in theory - providing FedEx don't launch the MAN-NCL-CGN ATR service they have slots for, which would defeat the object of them moving here in the first place).
It's also worth noting that the bulk of the cargo on the existing service into NCL found it's way into our Hangar 1 anyway.
It's also worth noting that the bulk of the cargo on the existing service into NCL found it's way into our Hangar 1 anyway.
I don't see it as a criticism. Its just the point that an inbound flight does not exist when it did at Newcastle. And where is the cargo going to go from that flight.
Yes it is great that we will have an outbound flight on four days a week with a split load from Edinburgh.
Yes it is great that we will have an outbound flight on four days a week with a split load from Edinburgh.
There seems to be an undercurrent of criticism in the lack of an inbound flight which is totally unjustified
in theory - providing FedEx don't launch the MAN-NCL-CGN ATR service they have slots for, which would defeat the object of them moving here in the first place
It's also worth noting that the bulk of the cargo on the existing service into NCL found it's way into our Hangar 1 anyway.
Last edited by SWBKCB; 18th Mar 2024 at 22:20.
It is strange though..4 outbounds..where is the inbound freight going to?
As an aside..2 scheduled departures today..and tomorrow..pick up over Easter ..or an awful lot of strain is being put on the ancillary work at the airport to generate income?
As an aside..2 scheduled departures today..and tomorrow..pick up over Easter ..or an awful lot of strain is being put on the ancillary work at the airport to generate income?
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Teesside
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The aviation industry still works in lbs.
lbs of fuel
lbs of thrust
So it is just natural when they describe cargo loads in lbs in the air industry.
Edinburgh Airport use tonnes - look under facts and figures:
https://corporate.edinburghairport.c...-with-us/cargo
FedEx themselves use number of packages or tonnes
https://newsroom.fedex.com/newsroom/...ty-at-stansted
And of course the CAA reports are in tonnes
God loves a trier...
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: UK
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
God may well love a trier but doesn't the good book also say something about dishonesty?
Aviation fuel is ordered and supplied in tonnes and every bill of lading, manifest, condition of carriage or transit document that I have seen in the UK and internationally references tonnes. For Harold's benefit, that's a metric ton.
This wasn't one of of his better tall tales.
Aviation fuel is ordered and supplied in tonnes and every bill of lading, manifest, condition of carriage or transit document that I have seen in the UK and internationally references tonnes. For Harold's benefit, that's a metric ton.
This wasn't one of of his better tall tales.
Air cargo rates are always per kg or a volume conversion based on cc per kg, used to be generally 6000cc per kg when I was last involved but I thing some carriers might use 4000 or 5000cc per kg.
Is it really true that aircraft made and certified outside the USA still weigh in lbs, and calculate engine power in lbs rather than kN. Genuine question.
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 412
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
At a guess somebodies found a routing via the CDG hub and assumed it's a direct flight. Don't think FedEx have any non-hub flight from Europe to Memphis. Let's see how the Paris route goes, eh?