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Yes a very interesting article, I am also looking forward to part 2
I fear that nobody will know what's going on until there is new management, it's odd that the councillors are kept in the dark. The big question is will Houchen remain mayor, looking at comments on his Facebook posts they are very positive, he certainly has a solid following and remains popular but is that enough, my feeling is that he will scrap in, as someone said before, it won't be the votes that he receives rather than the people who don't want him that don't bother to vote .
The mayor is very active on social media posting many times a day, he really is trying
I fear that nobody will know what's going on until there is new management, it's odd that the councillors are kept in the dark. The big question is will Houchen remain mayor, looking at comments on his Facebook posts they are very positive, he certainly has a solid following and remains popular but is that enough, my feeling is that he will scrap in, as someone said before, it won't be the votes that he receives rather than the people who don't want him that don't bother to vote .
The mayor is very active on social media posting many times a day, he really is trying
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An interesting read - I've always been baffled by Stobart's position at MME.
https://www.teesvalleymonitor.com/te...-plan-b-part-1
https://www.teesvalleymonitor.com/te...-plan-b-part-1
Stobart/ Esken's financial position was a real cause of concern. So it was a right decision to part ways, especially since Esken fell into administration two weeks ago.
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Harold. You have already been called out by a journalist on another thread for making up this story when it was explained to you why you could not know what you have invented so why have you repeated your tale in this forum?
Only Harold would try and link a business desision going back 3 years with events a couple of weeks ago. Guess that's another one for the list!
Only Harold would try and link a business desision going back 3 years with events a couple of weeks ago. Guess that's another one for the list!
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Grumpy what on earth are you on about. What journalist has called me out?
Have you followed the timeline of events of Stobart/ Esken, then you can see where things were heading and when.
Have you followed the timeline of events of Stobart/ Esken, then you can see where things were heading and when.
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Stop it Harold. A local journalist told you "you've made this up" and you responded so you know very well.
I dont think the group wants to witness another pointless attempt to change history so let's leave it at that.
I dont think the group wants to witness another pointless attempt to change history so let's leave it at that.
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Just look at the loses for Esken - I know its Wikipedia but it simplifies the information - their decline has happened over a number of years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esken
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If your talking about on the Monitor page. Then I am calling a political activist out, when things aren't right.
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Onion, for context, his latest tale was that "Esken's exit was because they we imploding into financial oblivion" so "it was agreed to part ways so that the Airport wasnt dragged down" and "that to safeguard Teesside it was agreed for Esken to part ways".
Will leave it to you to decide if he has sources only available to him who now contradict the explanation offered at the time as pointed out by the journalist who reminded him that they were contractualy paid £1.5 million by the airport when leaving.
Will leave it to you to decide if he has sources only available to him who now contradict the explanation offered at the time as pointed out by the journalist who reminded him that they were contractualy paid £1.5 million by the airport when leaving.
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When a headline says it all.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...t-air-21152800
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...t-air-21152800
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Onion, for context, his latest tale was that "Esken's exit was because they we imploding into financial oblivion" so "it was agreed to part ways so that the Airport wasnt dragged down" and "that to safeguard Teesside it was agreed for Esken to part ways".
Will leave it to you to decide if he has sources only available to him who now contradict the explanation offered at the time as pointed out by the journalist who reminded him that they were contractualy paid £1.5 million by the airport when leaving.
Will leave it to you to decide if he has sources only available to him who now contradict the explanation offered at the time as pointed out by the journalist who reminded him that they were contractualy paid £1.5 million by the airport when leaving.
£1.5m is childs play incomparison to losses of that amount.
Don't think there was any explanation at the time as to why they parted company, but a business that is making huge losses and likely not to be around shortly (at the time) is something anybody would want to avoid unless your going to pick the bones of that business. Maybe they took the £1.5m to pay creditors in the short term.
Nobody knows what the contractural obligations were of either side.
Our friends at the movements site have announced that the Alpha taxiway from Britannia corner is to be resurfaced and a narrow point near the control tower is to be made back to full width.
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Not sure of the context of "you've made this up" but i actually think Harold is on to something if that's what he said.
Just look at the loses for Esken - I know its Wikipedia but it simplifies the information - their decline has happened over a number of years.
Just look at the loses for Esken - I know its Wikipedia but it simplifies the information - their decline has happened over a number of years.
Nobody knows what the contractural obligations were of either side.
Is it also correct that their share in the aiport never appeared in their accounts as an assett (or as a liability if they had paid nothing at the time) until after they pulled out?
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Don't think there was any explanation at the time as to why they parted company....
Onion address the point and the press report certainly does not explain, so not a good idea to invent a reason and report it publicly to try and undermine a considered article that does not suit your politics. You then try a justify your invention by suggesting that only you know what the rest of us dont know but decline to respond to requests that you reveal you sources at the airport or Esken, or even confirm that you have any actual sources.
Onion address the point and the press report certainly does not explain, so not a good idea to invent a reason and report it publicly to try and undermine a considered article that does not suit your politics. You then try a justify your invention by suggesting that only you know what the rest of us dont know but decline to respond to requests that you reveal you sources at the airport or Esken, or even confirm that you have any actual sources.
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Don't think there was any explanation at the time as to why they parted company....
Onion address the point and the press report certainly does not explain, so not a good idea to invent a reason and report it publicly to try and undermine a considered article that does not suit your politics. You then try a justify your invention by suggesting that only you know what the rest of us dont know but decline to respond to requests that you reveal you sources at the airport or Esken, or even confirm that you have any actual sources.
Onion address the point and the press report certainly does not explain, so not a good idea to invent a reason and report it publicly to try and undermine a considered article that does not suit your politics. You then try a justify your invention by suggesting that only you know what the rest of us dont know but decline to respond to requests that you reveal you sources at the airport or Esken, or even confirm that you have any actual sources.
Secondly are we sure that the article is accurate? I ve not read it but journalist have been known to lie, embellish or just get it wrong!
Thirdly I ve not invented a reason per say I ve provided evidence that Esken were in trouble and provided a view point based on that..... probably no different to the article you mention, maybe I'm an investigative journalist now?
As I said before nobody knows what the contractural obligations were of either side and that can come down to breaking that contract!
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So probably not the best choice in the first place?
Other than the presence of the fragrant Ms Willard and new shirts for the airport staff, what did Stobart contribute?
Is it also correct that their share in the aiport never appeared in their accounts as an assett (or as a liability if they had paid nothing at the time) until after they pulled out?
Other than the presence of the fragrant Ms Willard and new shirts for the airport staff, what did Stobart contribute?
Is it also correct that their share in the aiport never appeared in their accounts as an assett (or as a liability if they had paid nothing at the time) until after they pulled out?
I don't know what they contributed, it could be that they were there to chase airlines and the day to day was left to the wider staff. It could be they were hands on from the start. Maybe any staff members on here could provide some insight.
Regarding how it was reported as an asset in Esken books i don't know, haven't looked that deep.... I haven't even checked to see what class of shares they were and what rights were attached to them!
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I am not disagreeing with Onion. My comments are addressed at Harold who, not for the first time, has claimed to have his inside knowledge that is not available to the rest of us and he knows of the thinking of the Airport and Esken boards three years ago. So agree, it's not Onion who is on trial. Also agree very much that journalists are often very wrong but attempting to undermine an article that doesnt fit your narrative by inventing an alternative history is potentially damaging to the airport.
Just in an idle moment I was looking at the posting stats per airport and see that with 3,400 plusTeesside is way ahead of major airports including BHX, EDI and LGW and only a little behind MAN.
Should the word "Hamsterwheel" the added to the thread header?
Same could be said for SOU and SEN to some extent!
Should the word "Hamsterwheel" the added to the thread header?
Same could be said for SOU and SEN to some extent!
Maybe because those airports haven't gone through the transformation MME has, and certainly not in the same manner.
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I always look forward to new MME posts because, for me, there is always something of the night going on.
The argument quite rightly goes along the lines of "if you aren't interested then don't read it" but the soap opera is well worth dipping into occasionally, in the almost forlorn hope that some real interesting news will surface with regard to development of aviation related business at the airport.