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[Grumpy1]

My appologies Harrold. I was trying to give you credit for highlighting the covert changes to the plan. You are quite wrong in trying to suggesting that it is not unusual to significantly change a 10 year plan every year or so. That's why it's called a 10 year plan! Given the prominence of the initial announcement of the plan the public are entitled to expect fundamental changes to be announced with similar prominence and not to be hidden away so that only those with enought time on there hands to undertaken research on the internet (heard it called lots of things!) can find. Thanks again for exposing this but it's a shame that the mayor did not tell his supporters who probably have no idea of the revision in the grand promises made.

[Robert-Ryan]

Originally Posted by Harold77

Do you ever give in.

Do us all a favour and actually do some research of your own before making comments that infuriate/ wind up people. Instead of relying on opinions from people and making your assumptions based on other peoples opinions rather than your own research.

The pot is calling the kettle black here mind!

[Harold77]

Originally Posted by Grumpy1

My appologies Harrold. I was trying to give you credit for highlighting the covert changes to the plan. You are quite wrong in trying to suggesting that it is not unusual to significantly change a 10 year plan every year or so. That's why it's called a 10 year plan! Given the prominence of the initial announcement of the plan the public are entitled to expect fundamental changes to be announced with similar prominence and not to be hidden away so that only those with enought time on there hands to undertaken research on the internet (heard it called lots of things!) can find. Thanks again for exposing this but it's a shame that the mayor did not tell his supporters who probably have no idea of the revision in the grand promises made.

The changes weren't covert at all, they were in the public domain. Article about the 2021 updates https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...ngers-21625977

It was realised quite soon that the Scenario 3 Revenues target of £17.84m by 31st March 2028 was going to be surpassed far earlier than predicted. Hence updates to the plan. The 2021 update puts Revenue target of £30.5m by 31st March 2025.
https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/about/w...dacted-002.pdf

[SWBKCB]

Those who follow the mayor's facebook page would be forgiven for thinking that the business park had tenants providing jobs and income, that the freight centre was actually handling goods, that Wiilis are building a village and that there is an ever increasing number of passenger flights.

Getting back to the point - I've not seen any of the Mayor's posts, but if Grumpy is correct, this doesn't seem to be an accurate reflection of current activity.

[onion]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Getting back to the point - I've not seen any of the Mayor's posts, but if Grumpy is correct, this doesn't seem to be an accurate reflection of current activity.

Here is Ben's post below so you can make your mind up on whether Grumpy is making an accurate report!

Our airport is bursting with investment and jobs 💪

Our airport is going from strength to strength and we all know that new holiday flights are what people want to see and that’s why, if re-elected, I will bring flights to Malaga and Tenerife from Teesside 🏖️

However, to make sure our airport continues to grow, we have to use every part of it and that’s why we have delivered new cargo flights and opened our new Teesside Airport Business Park 📦

🇺🇸 We have become home to US giant, Willis Aviation’s, Maintenance base, employing over 100 people (if you’ve ever wondered why all those EasyJet planes are parked up, they are here to be inspected and serviced by Willis)

🏗️ We have seen the construction of the first Unit on the Business Park (with plenty more coming), connected by the newly built Mynarski Way.

🎨 We have also secured a £6.5m investment from International Aviation Paint company Airborne Colours, who will make our new Hangar 4 their home bringing 40 new good quality local jobs.

📈 All this means we are AHEAD of our 10-year plan and securing the Long Term Future of OUR airport 👊

[Bill Darlington]

Most of the post is grossly exaggerated, some people might even believe it

[P330]

Originally Posted by Bill Darlington

Most of the post is grossly exaggerated, some people might even believe it

Bill - out of interest, which parts are exaggerated? Be good to compare with the facts you have.

[onion]

Originally Posted by Bill Darlington

Most of the post is grossly exaggerated, some people might even believe it

So what is unacceptable exaggerated then. Just so I know what I need to fact check.

I ll give you the new cargo flights are a stretch, they may have come anyway but could argue they are new per say, but Ben is a politican.
The rest seems accurate enough.
What am I not to believe, Willis are there aren't they or have I missed something?
The paint shop is going up, is it worth £6.5m and will it bring 40 jobs? I don't know but neither do you Bill so can't comment on the exaggeration.
I'm sure there is a building on the southside - or do my eyes decieve me? More to come? According to the planning permission there is but I suppose Bill you have insider knowledge showing otherwise? Please share.
Come on Bill what is actually wrong with the press release or is it you just don't like the truth on this one?

[Bill Darlington]

First of all ..... bursting with jobs
I found 5, I would have thought bursting would be a good deal more, and bursting with investment, I'm not sure that accurate either, since the only visible investment is the new airborne hangar for which they are only a tenant , so I don't see much direct bursting investment
The Willis repair centre do not employ 100 workers in one single hangar
The south side is not open for business it has no tenants as yet, and as an average person I would imagine air cargo planes to be large proper DHL like cargo planes, don't think there's been many of those?
And the description of airborne colours is a bit over the top, they rent a couple of hangars to paint
The mayor describes Willis as a huge company, I imagine a huge company with 20,000 employees not 500
It's mainly about the numbers and words like bursting, it's just too much for me

[Bill Darlington]

Small mistake, Willis is referred to a a giant company not huge, ...so even larger, and they are mainly involved in leasing

[Grumpy1]

Bill is correct. It's very cleverly worded so perhaps more a question of what he doesnt say.
The heading to the feature includes reference to the "£25m Willis Village" that isnt happening so why mention that let alone the 100 jobs that curiously has reduced from the previous claim of 250?
The heading states £200m Business Park is "under construction" forgetting that contractors pulled off the incomplete site many months ago with not a single tenant since advertising started three years ago.
The heading also references the "2.5m cargo facility" that to the best of my knowledge hasn't had a single flight yet.
Being "AHEAD of our 10 year plan" fails to reference that the plan appeares to have been quickly abandoned without any public announcement although I am sure that Harrold will criticise us all and I assume also his supporters for not knowing.
It is interesting to note the impression that his divoted supporters have gained without knowing the facts by looking at their comments.

[SWBKCB]

The heading to the feature includes reference to the "£25m Willis Village" that isnt happening so why mention that let alone the 100 jobs that curiously has reduced from the previous claim of 250?

Is this confirmed or supposition? With regard to job numbers, haven't Willis also taken over a number of roles at the airport e.g. ground handling? Willis may be a sizeable company, but I've always been curious that they are taking on roles at MME that aren't anywhere else in their business.

[Harold77]

Grumpy, What were all them planes that have come in over the past year that carried 72 Tonnes of cargo last year. Equipment and staff were used to handle the cargo on and off the planes. So bit unfair to say the facility hasn't seen a plane.
The 10 year plan hasn't been abandoned at all. There has been updates to it, but certainly not abandoned. Revenue targets have been upgraded by £13m from the original plan. Is it that abandoning the plan.


Bill, Investment at the airport.

Terminal refurbished, new tenants moved in.
Offices built tenants moved in.
Upgrades to Hangar 1 & 2
Hang Four being built. Airbourne Colours may be just a tenant, but there is all the equipment and fitting out required.
Draken 361 built to allow Draken to expand their fleets.
Jet Blast/ Engine Test facility under construction.

Willis Aviation Services across all three operations (FBO/ Handling/ Maintenance) at the airport will employ a fair number across all shifts. Revenues for them in 2022 was over $2.6m
During 2023, Teesside Maintenance unit was transferred from Asset Management company and into the Aviation Services company. So all Teesside operations now fall under the Willis Aviation Services company.
Operations for Willis really ramped up during 2023, so we will have to wait until the 2023 Financial Year results are announced to see what staff numbers have grown to during 2023.

[SWBKCB]

Freight is very peaky - 58 of the 72 tonnes in three months, three months with nothing at all. Very much the position that we've seen from Nissan for many years.

Atr-72 carries about 8 tonne.

[Bill Darlington]

As Willis is taking on all operations, one has to ask what the 115 airport staff are doing all day,

[Cautious Optimist]

There are circa.100 Willis staff at MME currently, I also believe that's just the H2 operation but even if it includes the Jet Centre and ground handling it's still a correct statement

[Bill Darlington]

Is that 100 workers at the H2 refueling dept, sounds a lot.

[N707ZS]

Originally Posted by Harold77

Grumpy, What were all them planes that have come in over the past year that carried 72 Tonnes of cargo last year. Equipment and staff were used to handle the cargo on and off the planes. So bit unfair to say the facility hasn't seen a plane.

Unfortunately the freight comes of an aircraft with a forklift straight into a road vehicle and out of the gate. The same as it always did. The facility hasn't anything of note. The box on the photographs was leftover from Hangar 1. Oh, and Nissan flights are not new.

[Grumpy1]

"Unfortunately the freight comes of an aircraft with a forklift straight into a road vehicle and out of the gate. The same as it always did".
And disopointly, the Mayor plus and Harold already knew that........

[Harold77]

Originally Posted by N707ZS

Unfortunately the freight comes of an aircraft with a forklift straight into a road vehicle and out of the gate. The same as it always did. The facility hasn't anything of note. The box on the photographs was leftover from Hangar 1. Oh, and Nissan flights are not new.

Does every truck going onto a ferry get scanned and searched, no they do not but still count towards port facility throughput. No difference here. Staff and equipment still used, even if it doesn't get put through the scanners or stored in the warehouse its still handled.