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[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Harold77

Does every truck going onto a ferry get scanned and searched, no they do not but still count towards port facility throughput. No difference here. Staff and equipment still used, even if it doesn't get put through the scanners or stored in the warehouse its still handled.

You are absolutely right. So why the "build it and they will come" approach, spending millions of our money on the freight centre? You'd have thought there must have been some sort of information on what the market wanted?

[Grumpy1]

We had the occasional Nissan traffic and similar before millions were spent on the freight centre and we would still have the occasional flights even if we did not have the empty freight centre. What business, if any, has been attracted because of the freight centre?

[highwideandugly]

Rumours of Fed Ex moving to the airport have gone quiet..I’ve heard because no staff available to handle out of hours?

Also heard traffic has been turned away recently especially diversions ,training etc) due staffing and available parking…

Maybe more need to be put into the operational infrastructure..ATC, AFS Ops etc? But that is expensive!

Freight…flowers,fruit , wide bodies…was that Harold or the mayor?
Infrastructure..basically not up to scratch to handle that type of regular freight yet? Odd Nissan last minute charter the limit.
That tonnage through the airport is frankly pathetic!

Anyway a labour government will put the cat amongst the pigeons shortly!

[Harold77]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Freight…flowers,fruit , wide bodies…was that Harold or the mayor?

Airport press releases.

[N707ZS]

Originally Posted by Grumpy1

We had the occasional Nissan traffic and similar before millions were spent on the freight centre and we would still have the occasional flights even if we did not have the empty freight centre. What business, if any, has been attracted because of the freight centre?

The freight centre that evolved from a 1940s hangar.

[Harold77]

January CAA Stats 2024.

Terminal Passengers 12,015
Aircraft Movements 1,363

[highwideandugly]

Thoughts on figures..

194 departing passengers per day

Movements down
Amsterdam load factor hovering around the 50% mark
Aberdeen..ouch
Alicante the saviour increasing the monthly total just.
No cargo

Wonder what spin Benji Boy puts on that lot!

[Grumpy1]

Wonder what spin Benji Boy puts on that lot!

He will be busy rewriting the 10 year plan again as its important to report that we are "ahead" of expectations when there is an election due.

Oh, and movements dont count when they are declining but he will leave his representative on planet earth to try and justify the lack of cargo.

[P330]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Thoughts on figures..

194 departing passengers per day

Movements down
Amsterdam load factor hovering around the 50% mark
Aberdeen..ouch
Alicante the saviour increasing the monthly total just.
No cargo

Wonder what spin Benji Boy puts on that lot!

So, instead of just posting the negatives and the usual sarcasm - here is a more balanced assessment.
Movements down - Not ideal, but not a big issue either.
Amsterdam - Always quieter loads in January so for real comparison, compare to Jan 2023 and we're 28% up on prior year. That is excellent!
Aberdeen. This is a real mess right now and will be down for Feb and March too until we're comparing like for like. Market to Aberdeen is down and not what it was.
Alicante. Extra rotations mean this is 34% up.
Total Passengers. 12% up on prior year - so a good result.
Cargo - Nothing to report - clearly not doing anything material (yet).

As for Ben - He's a politician that will put spin on things. I hate that and it is beyond annoying. But constantly repeating the jibes just clutters the forum. We won't change him or politicians generally.

As for re-writing the business plan. I'd be surprised if that is happening, but let's not that get in the way of an opportunity for another sarcastic comment.

I have no issue with people posting facts, or indeed opinions or rumours. But the constant one sided angles and childlike jibes add nothing to the discussion.

[Grumpy1]

Must concede much of what P330 has said. We know that Lord H is a politician but when spin becomes misrepresentation that may be damaging the airport it is legitimate to call it out. Thought the business plan had already been revised from what was made public and what the taxpayer thinks they are getting so sarcasm is perhaps justified.

[P330]

Originally Posted by Grumpy1

Must concede much of what P330 has said. We know that Lord H is a politician but when spin becomes misrepresentation that may be damaging the airport it is legitimate to call it out. Thought the business plan had already been revised from what was made public and what the taxpayer thinks they are getting so sarcasm is perhaps justified.

Harold has answered that a few times and the updates were public (link already provided). Sarcasm is probably justified, once, maybe twice - its even funny. But doing it constantly, what does it add? When you've heard a joke 10 times, you probably don't laugh as much as you used to....

[N707ZS]

A question for users of the Aberdeen flight, is Friday the day most people would commute back to Teesside from Aberdeen?

[Grumpy1]

P330 again perhaps makes a valid observation. In the same way, constantly trying to talk up pretty crap statistics becomes tedious such as introducing the limited Nissan freight to pretend that the freight centre is performing.
Shall we all accept that this year is going to be another stagnant/disapointing one in terms of performance and if the opinion polls are correct we may soon have a new mayor (although I doubt it myself) with probably a new government so the goal posts may well and truly move soon.
Could soon be a case of better the devil you know.......

[P330]

Originally Posted by Grumpy1

P330 again perhaps makes a valid observation. In the same way, constantly trying to talk up pretty crap statistics becomes tedious such as introducing the limited Nissan freight to pretend that the freight centre is performing.
Shall we all accept that this year is going to be another stagnant/disapointing one in terms of performance and if the opinion polls are correct we may soon have a new mayor (although I doubt it myself) with probably a new government so the goal posts may well and truly move soon.
Could soon be a case of better the devil you know.......

Agree completely. I think this year, as it stands, is probably not going to be too exciting. Though that can change, positive or negative.

And you’re right about the mayor, and if we replicate his behaviour, just constantly calling out negatives, or falsehoods, then I think we lose the morale ground to call him out for doing exactly the same using positive language.

As for what happens if the mayor changes, we will just have to wait and see. Like him or not, he fights for the airport and a replacement mayor may tick all of our balance and ethics boxes, but could choose not to support the airport. Like you say, better the devil you know (maybe). 😉

[Harold77]

That opinion poll that was done was 1,000 people spread across Teesside, South & West Yorkshire. So how can they call the results when the survey incorporated large section from other areas of the country. Would have more believable if the survey was just from one area not three.


Movements down due to weather issues, can't do much with bad weather. Otherwise Movement figures would have been up.

I'm reckoning Passenger Figures will be up compared to last year. As Amsterdam are seeing extra flights on weekends during the summer timetable and with larger capacity aircraft being used. This will boost the figures a bit.

[highwideandugly]

Sorry Harold..missed that opinion pole..what was it and what did it say?

Btw ..sure weather affected all airports! How about Benji spending 5million plus and getting Cat 3 and lighting. And power back up..now that’s commitment!

[Harold77]

That is the poll result that the media are running stories with. This poll had 1,000 people surveyed from Teesside, South & West Yorkshire in the one survey. There isn't even a Reform candidate stepped forward yet.

[Harold77]

Originally Posted by P330

Total Passengers. 12% up on prior year - so a good result.
Cargo - Nothing to report - clearly not doing anything material (yet).

There was a military cargo flight from Oslo, but must have been less than a Tonne, otherwise it would have appeared in the CAA stats.

[Grumpy1]

Think Harold is correct that it's a flawed poll. Surely the unpopular mayor will not get as much as 23% of the vote???
I'll get my coat.

[N707ZS]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Sorry Harold..missed that opinion pole..what was it and what did it say?

Btw ..sure weather affected all airports! How about Benji spending 5million plus and getting Cat 3 and lighting. And power back up..now that’s commitment!

Back to proper conversation!!! The lack of CATs is going to bite them in the ass if they start to get early morning arrivals. Newcastle will LOL.