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70% in July isn't great, the obvious conversation they'll be having is could one or both of those A330s be making more money with mainline out of Dublin? Is it a fares issue or a lack of advertising?
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The load factor for Aug was a lot higher but has since dropped off quite a lot since the end of the summer holidays.
Marketing will always be a factor at play (Would the load factor be higher if the tails were red white and blue !? - almost certainly)
EI are unlikely to cut tail an run just yet, recruitment still seems to be active and cargo volumes I’m sure are contributing to the bottom line.
Marketing will always be a factor at play (Would the load factor be higher if the tails were red white and blue !? - almost certainly)
EI are unlikely to cut tail an run just yet, recruitment still seems to be active and cargo volumes I’m sure are contributing to the bottom line.
Summer schedules appear locked in, the resumption of DUB-MSP and launch of DUB-DEN can be covered by slack in the existing A330 schedule in DUB.
If things don’t pick up next year, things might change you would imagine, especially as the XLRs begin arriving next winter.
If things don’t pick up next year, things might change you would imagine, especially as the XLRs begin arriving next winter.
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Must confess i do worry for EI. Despite these comments only a few months ago.....
"If customers can fly non-stop, they will want to fly non-stop... [There are] plenty of other places [in the US that Aer Lingus might serve]... I can see Manchester growing manyfold for us."
I see its being reported that THAI have also walked again.
Manchester was in the top twenty of airports in Europe serving the US pre TCX and Covid. I dread to think where we sit now.
Does anyone wonder how hard the route development team are trying ?
Have landing fees gone up for new entrants to pay for the terminal ?
There was much back slaping when construction of the latest pier was announced earlier this year. The great and the good at the launch were gushing with the oft repeated "global gateway" tripping off the pr output from all the attendees.
I hope this billion pound terminal isnt just going to service IT passengers to Spain and Turkey.
"If customers can fly non-stop, they will want to fly non-stop... [There are] plenty of other places [in the US that Aer Lingus might serve]... I can see Manchester growing manyfold for us."
I see its being reported that THAI have also walked again.
Manchester was in the top twenty of airports in Europe serving the US pre TCX and Covid. I dread to think where we sit now.
Does anyone wonder how hard the route development team are trying ?
Have landing fees gone up for new entrants to pay for the terminal ?
There was much back slaping when construction of the latest pier was announced earlier this year. The great and the good at the launch were gushing with the oft repeated "global gateway" tripping off the pr output from all the attendees.
I hope this billion pound terminal isnt just going to service IT passengers to Spain and Turkey.
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https://mediacentre.magairports.com/...-october-2023/
Excellent stuff from MAG.
One caveat however !
"The North needs better connectivity to drive its economy forward."
Why does this comment apply to the debacle on HS2 but not the freight network which has literally been swept away under our previous CEO.
Does freight connectivity not count ?
Excellent stuff from MAG.
One caveat however !
"The North needs better connectivity to drive its economy forward."
Why does this comment apply to the debacle on HS2 but not the freight network which has literally been swept away under our previous CEO.
Does freight connectivity not count ?
Most of it's carried in the belly of passenger aircraft, you need to stop seeing freight in isolation as main deck freighter lift. That's a minority of the cargo hauled by air, indeed Air Canada just dropped their B777F order as the uplift in new B787-10s means they don't need dedicated wide body lift. Let's not go round the hamster wheel again and again.....
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Most of it's carried in the belly of passenger aircraft, you need to stop seeing freight in isolation as main deck freighter lift. That's a minority of the cargo hauled by air, indeed Air Canada just dropped their B777F order as the uplift in new B787-10s means they don't need dedicated wide body lift. Let's not go round the hamster wheel again and again.....
Welcome to Manchester!
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LHR doesn't have any main deck freight worth mentioning, it's mostly at STN, with MAG. LGW has exactly zero. That's because there's a lot of passenger wide body heavies that means dedicates cargo flights are not needed. You have some overflow into LHR on with EK, QR, CX, KE and SQ freighters but less than a handful for each. If you want freight to climb again, it's long haul passenger wide bodies you need. If it's down by 50% at MAN, did you identify what carriers that drove that fall? DELTA? United? American? The A321s they have on order may not be a solution though.
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LHR doesn't have any main deck freight worth mentioning, it's mostly at STN, with MAG. LGW has exactly zero. That's because there's a lot of passenger wide body heavies that means dedicates cargo flights are not needed. You have some overflow into LHR on with EK, QR, CX, KE and SQ freighters but less than a handful for each. If you want freight to climb again, it's long haul passenger wide bodies you need. If it's down by 50% at MAN, did you identify what carriers that drove that fall? DELTA? United? American? The A321s they have on order may not be a solution though.
Passengers have recovered apart from to the US. I can't believe that the lack of traffic westbound has accounted for all of that 50% fall.
There was a puff piece in the FT las week that may as well have been written by HAL around the need for the 3rd runway, a key point was the fact that LHR is thee largest port in Britain.
Clearly someone thinks freight is key in airport infastructure within the South East.
The 'largest port' statistic is based on value in 'pound notes' not volume or tonnage. That cargo is overwhelingly carried on passenger aircraft.
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I can just about stomach coherent discussion and analysis from Skippy and ATN, but as for our three poundland pundits hanging on to their shirt tails ?
Do try some original thinking. Thinking is so important !
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I can just about stomach coherent discussion and analysis from Skippy and ATN, but as for our three poundland pundits hanging on to their shirt tails ?
Do try some original thinking. Thinking is so important !
We all know your views on the subject and we know the arguments against from Skipness.
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The MAN routes Development team are supposed to be attending the routes conference Istanbul but they don't appear to be listed separately. Are they included under STN? Very strange as LHR, LGW, BHX, EDI and LPL are all shown as attending.
Not checked, but perhaps they are under 'MAG', or as you suggest in with STN along with EMA. STN being a London airport might attract more attention than attending as MAN such is the London centric nature of the UK.
