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The daft rule applies across the board in the UK. Shortly before the covid downturn, I flew Dubrovnik - Birmingham - Manchester with Freebird Europe.
Guess what? We all had to get off at BHX, go out through arrivals, join the lengthy security queue in the departures building (PIA B77W pax in the mix), go through the full security thing AGAIN ... and then get back to the aircraft. They told us we had an hour to do all this. Inevitably, it took much longer. Especially for me, as the gate staff couldn't find the transit boarding pass with my name on as we disembarked the aircraft. I was given a hand-written one about ten minutes after everyone else had set off. The whole thing is an absolute nonsense, of course.
But seriously, if a bad actor was intent on mischief, would they sit there quietly on the three hour DBV - BHX leg, risk getting caught at BHX security (if somehow not detected at DBV), and then do their worst on a 15 minute BHX - MAN hop?
Only a BRITISH DfT official could come up with a system so utterly ludicrous. Knowing what they've done to railways outside the SE as well, I can only despair at the level of talent evident in the DfT.
Guess what? We all had to get off at BHX, go out through arrivals, join the lengthy security queue in the departures building (PIA B77W pax in the mix), go through the full security thing AGAIN ... and then get back to the aircraft. They told us we had an hour to do all this. Inevitably, it took much longer. Especially for me, as the gate staff couldn't find the transit boarding pass with my name on as we disembarked the aircraft. I was given a hand-written one about ten minutes after everyone else had set off. The whole thing is an absolute nonsense, of course.
But seriously, if a bad actor was intent on mischief, would they sit there quietly on the three hour DBV - BHX leg, risk getting caught at BHX security (if somehow not detected at DBV), and then do their worst on a 15 minute BHX - MAN hop?
Only a BRITISH DfT official could come up with a system so utterly ludicrous. Knowing what they've done to railways outside the SE as well, I can only despair at the level of talent evident in the DfT.
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Norse, only flying for just over a year. Pro union (positively encourages union membership) with close to 100% in the UK AOC. Long haul only operation with 15 aircraft vs Norwegian’s combined L/H and short haul operation with over ten times as many aircraft. Spoken to the founder on many occasions and would not treat people the way Norwegian did. These are a few of the dozens of differences, and, whilst there are many irrelevant overlaps, (eg using ex Norwegian aircraft, these are leased through a different company on a vastly superior contract). We could discuss every apparent overlap in detail but they are covered elsewhere. Norse’s fundamental culture, growth and people strategies are at different ends of the spectrum. If you want to believe Norse is Norwegian 2.0 that is up to you. Those who join will understand they are not.Time will tell.
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Just wading in on the discussion about transiting and screening… In 2009 I flew with Excel Airways FUE-LGW-MAN, we stayed onboard at LGW and arrived in MAN as international pax.
Besides the point but I do recall chaos in FUE as there was a flight to MAN, another to LGW and a third to LGW and MAN all scheduled to depart at the same time, all the MAN pax on our flight were flummoxed when they found out we were stopping en route.
Besides the point but I do recall chaos in FUE as there was a flight to MAN, another to LGW and a third to LGW and MAN all scheduled to depart at the same time, all the MAN pax on our flight were flummoxed when they found out we were stopping en route.
So going back to my earlier unanswered questions - how would you work it? How are you assessing other countries security arrangements or do you just take them on trust? How often do you review them? What do you do if you find issues in your review? How many other countries/airports are you assessing?
So going back to my earlier unanswered questions - how would you work it? How are you assessing other countries security arrangements or do you just take them on trust? How often do you review them? What do you do if you find issues in your review? How many other countries/airports are you assessing?
Security checks at Singapore Changi are world class. Security checks at Houston Intercontinental are world class. Likewise at many other primary gateway airports. There could be an 'approved' list, with vetting and ongoing inspections coordinated by a recognised international body such as ICAO. In fact, doesn't this happen already?
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National tourism agency Visit Britain and Visit England has announced that it has selected Birmingham as the location for its new headquarters from April 2024.
The body – which raises Britain’s profile worldwide to develop the country’s visitor economy – picked Birmingham thanks to its strong international and UK transport links and availability of local talent.
'Er Hang on has there been a bidding process for this?
Who decided on this move ,was it independent or did they themseleves choose the location ?
I would have thought Liverpool, Leeds, Chester, York and even Manchester with its airport would all have been a more appropriate location?
Manchester Airport is of course sandwiched between all these cities nestled betwixt the tourist hotspots of;
The Lake District
Peak District
Yorkshire Dales
North Wales Castles
I'm really struggling to understand why they chose Birmingham unless it allows civil servants to continue to live in London with a paid daily commute by the taxpayer?
As for local talent thee largest University campus in Europe is actually in Manchester hence why a tsunami of high tech companies have shifted their back end processes there and why the largest GCHQ hub outside Cheltenham is located in the city, so not sure that stacks!
National tourism agency Visit Britain and Visit England has announced that it has selected Birmingham as the location for its new headquarters from April 2024. The body – which raises Britain’s profile worldwide to develop the country’s visitor economy – picked Birmingham thanks to its strong international and UK transport links and availability of local talent.
The body – which raises Britain’s profile worldwide to develop the country’s visitor economy – picked Birmingham thanks to its strong international and UK transport links and availability of local talent.
'Er Hang on has there been a bidding process for this?
Who decided on this move ,was it independent or did they themseleves choose the location ?
I would have thought Liverpool, Leeds, Chester, York and even Manchester with its airport would all have been a more appropriate location?
Manchester Airport is of course sandwiched between all these cities nestled betwixt the tourist hotspots of;
The Lake District
Peak District
Yorkshire Dales
North Wales Castles
I'm really struggling to understand why they chose Birmingham unless it allows civil servants to continue to live in London with a paid daily commute by the taxpayer?
As for local talent thee largest University campus in Europe is actually in Manchester hence why a tsunami of high tech companies have shifted their back end processes there and why the largest GCHQ hub outside Cheltenham is located in the city, so not sure that stacks!
National tourism agency Visit Britain and Visit England has announced that it has selected Birmingham as the location for its new headquarters from April 2024. The body – which raises Britain’s profile worldwide to develop the country’s visitor economy – picked Birmingham thanks to its strong international and UK transport links and availability of local talent.
And on a seperate point, why the excitement over where Visit England are to be based, and whats the relevance to the Manchester Airport thread? Surely anywhere outside London is an improvement!
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Do ICAO undertake checks or provide policy/standards that they expect members to follow?
And on a seperate point, why the excitement over where Visit England are to be based, and whats the relevance to the Manchester Airport thread? Surely anywhere outside London is an improvement!
And on a seperate point, why the excitement over where Visit England are to be based, and whats the relevance to the Manchester Airport thread? Surely anywhere outside London is an improvement!
It has nothing to do with regional stakeholders be they individuals or groups, such as tourism professionals, public authorities, the press and other media who can actually influence the tourism industry and activities at a particular tourist destination.....
....it has everything to do with civil servants being able to stay living in London and being able to commute to Birmingham on a daily basis. That is why a number of other government departments have chosen Birmingham.
The heads and senior managers simply commute.
In effect it's paying lip service. It matters as far as Visit England is concerned as this was an ideal opportunity to change the narrative, personnel actually based in the regions are more likely to promote those regions.
Its crucial, as the impact could be dramatic, was Manchester or indeed Liverpool or Leeds included in this bid process?
i would happily support a relocation to any of those cities.
As Manchester Airport is the gateway airport for a significant number of these tourist hotspots alongside Liverpool Airport and Leeds and is at the epi centre of the largest tourist offering outside London i would have thought an office in a Northern England city was far more appropriate ( and cheaper).
Inbound tourism effects airports so its highly relevant to Manchester Airport given its intercontinental network.
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That's fine.
It would be splendid however if occasionally you argued points on facts rather than what quite frankly just throwing in miserable opinion pieces with nothing by way of support in terms of data.
It comes across as anti Manchester, anti Manchester Airport, infact anti anyone who has the temerity to support the airport as a driver of the economy in the North.
Cheer up man , it might nerver happen.....
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Navpi,
It is possible and reasonable that government agencies can choose locations other than your beloved Manchester for a national base.
Actually given the London centric nature of the UK we should celebrate any agency leaving London for another location.
I really don't see the relevance to Manchester, or for that matter Birmingham Airports.
It is possible and reasonable that government agencies can choose locations other than your beloved Manchester for a national base.
Actually given the London centric nature of the UK we should celebrate any agency leaving London for another location.
I really don't see the relevance to Manchester, or for that matter Birmingham Airports.
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This year I have transitted through Brussels, Dublin, Frankfurt, Madrid and Stockholm. Each time I have had to go through security again.
I didn't have to do it at Copenhagen.
I didn't have to do it at Copenhagen.
Do ICAO undertake checks or provide policy/standards that they expect members to follow?
This year I have transitted through Brussels, Dublin, Frankfurt, Madrid and Stockholm. Each time I have had to go through security again.
I didn't have to do it at Copenhagen.
I didn't have to do it at Copenhagen.
I sincerely hope that those who know the answer won't be posting details of the UK National Aviation Security Programme on an open forum.
This isn't going to change any time soon. I'd give up and move on. Doing some kind of one-sided battle with DFT from an internet forum is completely futile. The UK's policy is what the UK's policy is - there are certain reasons and rationale for it, even though I might not agree with all of them - and it's not especially bright to be initiating a debate on specific details of national airport security policy.
This isn't going to change any time soon. I'd give up and move on. Doing some kind of one-sided battle with DFT from an internet forum is completely futile. The UK's policy is what the UK's policy is - there are certain reasons and rationale for it, even though I might not agree with all of them - and it's not especially bright to be initiating a debate on specific details of national airport security policy.
I sincerely hope that those who know the answer won't be posting details of the UK National Aviation Security Programme on an open forum.
Doing some kind of one-sided battle with DFT from an internet forum is completely futile.
Nobody here has been asking for online publication of criteria used by UK airport security providers applied to passengers boarding flights at our airports. It would be irresponsible to solicit that, but nobody has. Your outrage is misplaced.
it's not especially bright to be initiating a debate on specific details of national airport security policy.