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Old 17th Sep 2020, 20:23
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The long-term future of T4 has been under review for the past few years. Nothing to do with Covid.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 20:56
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I think the longer term future of many places are now under review. No great rush for a new runway at LHR for 3-4 years either.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 03:53
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You have probably seen the published BA frequency plans dated 15/9/20 This shows BA plans for September and October In essence its a flag waving exercise with only routes with some proven demand getting more than a daily service, fingers crossed
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 18:40
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If another terminal does open,T3 will be first and looking at projected winter schedules that isn't likely until at least Spring next year. As for T4, that's anybody's guess.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 12:46
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Quote from Bolton's council leader

A returning holidaymaker who went on a pub crawl instead of self-isolating was partly responsible for Bolton's "extreme spike" in coronavirus cases, the town's council leader said.
"We had an extreme spike where we went from 12 cases per 100,000 and in less than three weeks we were up at 212 cases. We had somebody who did not adhere to quarantine, did not stay the 14 days, literally went on a pub crawl with a number of mates," Mr Greenhalgh said. "From that incident which took place over a weekend - (they) visited a number of premises - led to a large number of individual transmissions from that one person which you can imagine then is like holding back the tide because he then became symptomatic two days after they had all gone on this pub crawl.
Whether totally accurate or not, not good news for the travel industry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-54205353
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 13:55
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
The long-term future of T4 has been under review for the past few years. Nothing to do with Covid.
Maybe, but it'll be a long time coming. It would make sense if LHR went down the ATL style toast rack layout and essentially had one large terminal setup. That and getting T5D and T2C (and maybe T2D) built and the total refurbishment / realignment of T3.

In regards to a third runway not being needed for 3-4 years - OK. If we get it within 20 years we'll be lucky with the way the process is going. The world will be a totally different place then; just like with HS2.

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Old 20th Sep 2020, 12:48
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I heard a positive comment about Covid on aviation industry. I'll let you judge on it but I thought it was quite encouraging. Obviously, aviation is a cyclic business, and has always been, so since aviation is suffering so much at the moment, it will go back. Some companies have gone broke, leaving many airplanes on the ground, that will have to be sold "cheap" (for what they are), and major airline companies have closed their small lines and travel destination. That will give the opportunity for new companies to grow, newly born companies to buy cheaper airplanes, and start traveling to previously abandoned destination, which will fill in a slight gap in the market. Just like this companie in the US Breeze: https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/br...jetblue-2020-2

Or in Europe: Great Dane Airlines, Swiss Skies, Athens Spirit, Firnas Airways, Air Baltic (https://www.tourhebdo.com/actualites...ope-514670.php)... Let's hope so!
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 17:25
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Arrive at Luton on a remote stand and you will be packed into a single bus if it is at all possible with passengers crammed in so they cannot move. The airports position is that passengers should be wearing masks so everything is fine.

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Old 21st Sep 2020, 17:41
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 09:35
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Question for anyone who knows the answer...

Has there been any evidence of air crews / flight attendants being significantly affected by outbreaks on board flights, down route etc.? I can't say I've seen many headlines, bar passengers themselves being affected from holiday flights back from the Greek islands, which probably was caused by lack of mask wearing.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 14:04
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Floodgates open further daily...

Today...Job losses announced by TUI & Weatherspoon airport outlets.

Only the very strongest are going to survive which becomes even more apparent today with the latest Government Covid Statement with zero semblance of a plan or strategy for the country let alone the industry.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 14:41
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Businesses show no intention of sending people flying for work, summer holiday season in Europe is coming to a close, people seem to have little desire to fly long-haul at the moment after seeing what happened in March, and all the quarantine/restricted entry rules around the world (not just the UK) make travelling difficult
It pains me to say it... but I think Govt in the UK has decided that aviation may have to be sacrificed to some extent in the interests of the rest of the economy - the message from Govt seems to be one of "accept the current restrictions or they will become more strict later"

I thought today's announcements might have included something more severe on flying - I think the travel industry got off lightly with the only real new burden being that people who are meant to self-isolate for 14 days on return to the UK will get penalised more severely if they ignore the rules

It's a difficult story to sell to Joe Bloggs - that people should be able to go off to Spain when he can't have his family visit him at home. Joe Bloggs doesn't really care if the local TUI shop nearby closes and some holiday reps lose their jobs
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 14:57
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There are approximately 15 million in the UK with chronic health issues. Many of those will not travel abroad again once EHIC ceases to be valid, not just because of the cost of private insurance, but because of the lack of a basic care guarantee and the fear of the insurer finding some minor omission and not paying a claim. I donít know how commonly claims are rejected, but I do know the fear is very real.

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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 19:01
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Quote: I thought today's announcements might have included something more severe on flying - I think the travel industry got off lightly with the only real new burden being that people who are meant to self-isolate for 14 days on return to the UK will get penalised more severely if they ignore the rules
Things could be more severe in Scotland (From BBC Website): The first minister said she was keeping the option of a so-called circuit breaker - a short period of nationwide lockdown, potentially during the October holiday - under review.

She urged people not to book overseas travel for the October break "unless it is absolutely essential", and advised against car sharing with people outside your own household.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 08:23
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Raab this morning knocking back "airport testing"...

SSP operating food/beverage outlets within terminals warning this morning of "considerable layoffs".
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 08:35
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I think you make a very good point re EHIC. Apart from being a deliberate victim of political dogma by this UK Government, it will restrict travel abroad for millions and have a big impact. It covers all existing conditions including for those needing dialysis etc. etc. There is no practical insurance option except for the very rich. It will effectively remove the travel option for millions. A very tragic and avoidable situation and I would imagine very distressing for many with family and friends living elsewhere across the EU.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 10:37
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave View Post
There are approximately 15 million in the UK with chronic health issues. Many of those will not travel abroad again once EHIC ceases to be valid, not just because of the cost of private insurance, but because of the lack of a basic care guarantee and the fear of the insurer finding some minor omission and not paying a claim. I donít know how commonly claims are rejected, but I do know the fear is very real.
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I took this as a given as soon as the Brexit vote occurred, and as I work in Europe, and indeed further afield this has always been an issue that I could forese. As I work overseas my company covers me insurance wise, however when on holiday with Mrs Mac or indeed when she travels to our apartment in Munich she is no longer covered. She used to get world wide travel insurance through her bank in the UK (Lloyds) as an addition to her status as valued customer etc, and it cost a few hundred pounds per year. This has now been withdrawn, and she is having to go to the commercial market for cover from January, which is as you have said interesting financially. We are lucky, and it will not be an issue for us, but I can see many a Brit balking at the cost, and therefore not taking it out and trusting to luck, which will no doubt lead to some very busy consulates next year in the Mediterranean when the "luck" runs out. Another thing that Bojo forgot to mention with Brexit.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 10:58
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I can see many a Brit balking at the cost, and therefore not taking it out and trusting to luck, which will no doubt lead to some very busy consulates next year in the Mediterranean when the "luck" runs out. Another thing that Bojo forgot to mention with Brexit.
I am not going to tell the same long story again for the third time but I was hospitalised in Spain and still got a big bill, which my insurer had to pay despite being inside the EU. Doctor, ambulance, hospital, all private, not that I had any say in what was happening to me.

Changing the subject, everyday I watch the news and see different industries that need financial help. I think the government has borrowed £160 billion so far, which is increasing daily. All very well until we all start to pay off the debt then watch the same people complain.

No easy answers but money is not free.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 11:16
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
I am not going to tell the same long story again for the third time but I was hospitalised in Spain and still got a big bill, which my insurer had to pay despite being inside the EU. Doctor, ambulance, hospital, all private, not that I had any say in what was happening to me.

Changing the subject, everyday I watch the news and see different industries that need financial help. I think the government has borrowed £160 billion so far, which is increasing daily. All very well until we all start to pay off the debt then watch the same people complain.

No easy answers but money is not free.
Good points LTNman. That borrowed money has to come from somewhere.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 11:54
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Not my intention to start a debate about the wisdom or otherwise of travel insurance. Or Brexit.

All Iím saying is that many of the millions who travel in Europe and choose to rely on EHIC will soon not be able to. Some of those will decide not to have their week in Spain or to visit a foreign city anymore.

So even if an effective Coronavirus vaccination comes to our rescue there is a sizeable chunk of passengers who will now limit themselves to UK travel.

Iím guessing that people travelling to the UK from the continent will have a similar problem.
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