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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 13:15
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The thing is, it’s a shame for the Remain side that EHIC stuck on the side of a bus doesn’t have the same cut-through as some lies about £350 million a week going to the NHS
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 16:52
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The EHIC card was never a substitute for travel insurance. Just ask those families that turned to GoFundMe to get loved ones home by air ambulance.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 18:04
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Interesting is that a stockbrokers in Ireland is suggesting Ryanair is looking at placeing a very large order for Max 10 jets before the end of the year.

Bearing in mind the state of theaviation market and issues Boeing have then would expect price to be low.

2001 revisited for aircraft acquisition.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 18:13
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The EHIC card was never a substitute for travel insurance. Just ask those families that turned to GoFundMe to get loved ones home by air ambulance.
I bow to someone's better knowledge about this, but I dare say that the EHIC will cover a high % of ailments that will need to be dealt with down-route. It is worth remembering that outside of the EU, the UK has a number of bilateral agreements with governmental healthcare (Australia), but also a lot of countries we don't (Turkey, UAE). Unless there is no choice, the insurer does not cover private healthcare.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 18:20
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I am not going to tell the same long story again for the third time but I was hospitalised in Spain and still got a big bill, which my insurer had to pay despite being inside the EU. Doctor, ambulance, hospital, all private, not that I had any say in what was happening to me.

Changing the subject, everyday I watch the news and see different industries that need financial help. I think the government has borrowed £160 billion so far, which is increasing daily. All very well until we all start to pay off the debt then watch the same people complain.

No easy answers but money is not free.
I'm no fan of this government, but if this once in a 100 year event costs only £160bn, that is a good result. It is only about a quarter of the UK tax take in a normal year. People talk about reserving money for rainy day funds, but this is a humdinger of a downpour. In terms of paying it back, the UK has low interest rates, but lets be honest - the national debt is nominal.

The US in comparison spent $25bn on the CARES act alone, and there's talk of doubling that alone.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 18:27
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Could I gently nudge the topic towards Covid's impact on air travel, rather than EHIC health cover / Brexit ?
It seems that Denmark and Iceland might go onto the UK's naughty step tomorrow
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 18:27
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The UK borrows money at low rates until the money markets think the UK credit rating is to high due to its debts and its ability to pay off those debts. Borrowing then goes up to reflect the higher risk.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 19:14
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Could I gently nudge the topic towards Covid's impact on air travel, rather than EHIC health cover / Brexit ?
It seems that Denmark and Iceland might go onto the UK's naughty step tomorrow
Firstly, an apology. I was the first to mention EHIC.

Still interested that - “We’re not locking down” Sweden - are not on that naughty step.

I have always been convinced (not being a smart arse with recent newspaper articles) that we were determined to deal with the pandemic in the same way as Sweden until we saw the situation in Italy and panicked / came to our senses and opted for lockdown.

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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 19:24
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Sweden are currently on the borderline for the naughty step. Having been taken off the naughty step just 2 weeks ago (when it was 14.9 cases per 100,000 over 7 days - it had gone up to 20.6 cases earlier this week) my guess is that Sweden might get another week's, or even 2 weeks' grace - not only because they're on the borderline but also because it makes the Govt look a bit silly if decisions as to whether a country is safe or not are reversed quickly, as happened with Portugal
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
I'm no fan of this government, but if this once in a 100 year event costs only £160bn, that is a good result. It is only about a quarter of the UK tax take in a normal year. People talk about reserving money for rainy day funds, but this is a humdinger of a downpour. In terms of paying it back, the UK has low interest rates, but lets be honest - the national debt is nominal.

The US in comparison spent $25bn on the CARES act alone, and there's talk of doubling that alone.
UK National Debt is now £2.4 Trillion with GDP of £2.2 Trillion in 2019.......................... lets say it will be £2 trillion in 2020. No money to invest in aviation or anything else for decade.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 05:03
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Various countries are likely to be put on the naughty list today, does it happen for the U.K. too or is our infection rate irrelevant
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 05:29
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Indeed...posts are looking at things through the wrong end of the telescope.

Countries throughout the World will be viewing rates in UK with alarm.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 05:59
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What countries have us on their naughty step??
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 06:20
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Hong Kong thought to announce today...
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 07:49
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My H&S Advisor in Germany actually made that point to me before I flew back to the UK on Tuesday. She knows that I live in Yorkshire, and indeed our area is in special measures, though to be honest this really is to do with the other end of the Metropolitan Body in which we live. The issue is with the Eastern end of the area currently, and according to a local Doctor who lives 1/4 mile away, currently there are no Covid cases in our local hospital, and there has not been any for quite some time. Our H&S Advisor suggested as I have quite a bit of work to do over here for the next few weeks, it maybe better to stay in UK, which I am taking under advisement , and will try to organize to comply with her suggestion. It will be a little annoying though if I find out in 2 weeks say, that I can not get back to Germany, because the UK are on the "naughty step".

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Old 24th Sep 2020, 08:49
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Surely now cases in the U.K. are going up, the quarantine system should be scrapped. After all, the policy was introduced because, and to quote Priti Patel herself

The answer as to why we’re bringing in these measures now is simple: It is to protect that hard-won progress and prevent a devastating resurgence in a second wave of the virus."

Back to reality, I wonder what the government’s reason for not removing Egypt from the quarantine list is. Their case numbers have been low for months now, and it would give travel companies at least somewhere to fly to in November and December, as well as giving those of us who want to continue a normal life a chance to escape the doom and gloom of the U.K.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 11:10
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What countries have us on their naughty step??
Ireland unless you live in Northern Ireland.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 11:12
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Surely now cases in the U.K. are going up, the quarantine system should be scrapped.
Why would we want to import more cases when we have enough of our own to deal with?
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 11:28
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Why would we want to import more cases when we have enough of our own to deal with?
If I’m statistically 5x more likely to catch coronavirus in Manchester than in Crete, why can I go to Manchester and not have to quarantine but I do if I go to Crete?

Other than decimating airlines and jobs further, the quarantine scheme does nothing if community transmission in your own country is high. The benefit is a drop in the ocean, the disadvantage is catastrophic.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 16:23
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Denmark, Iceland and (more surprisingly) Slovakia, along with Curacao get the chop this week. No countries added to the 'safe' list
Sweden and Greece survive for another week

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