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Old 24th Apr 2020, 11:15
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Current proposals by Canarian Government....The Canary Islands will 'implant' a virtual chip for tourists to monitor their stay on the islands. An 'app' on mobile phones will show where the tourist is staying, has eaten or visited. The Ministry of Tourism is already studying the details to make the software easy to use. The Archipelago intends to go one step beyond the mere health passport so that those who travel to the Islands will not only have to prove that they are free of the COVID-19 before getting on the plane but, in addition, they will be monitored from the moment they land. The regional executive sees these tests as essential.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 19:25
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Originally Posted by helipixman
Remember 911 when a visible attack happened in the US all aircraft were grounded almost immediately. Now we have an Invisible attacker which has the potential to kill far more people planes are being allowed to fly WHY ????
Remember this quote I made back in March 2020. It seems the US and maybe the UK did things too late regarding the Lockdown ? We should have learnt something by watching the rest of the World, particularly Europe but did'nt.

Having looked tonight at a few flight tracking programmes, the average amount of aircraft flying in the UK was no more than 50 ! A fair number of them were Cargo flights and Emergency helicopters, many overflights and a few light aircraft. Scotland where I live had none for most of the day. WELL DONE UK

Then I looked at the US and I know its a far bigger country, there were on average 1,500 ? Plenty of regional airliners. From the head of the country to the general public I don't think many of them really get it. Plenty going into New York and Florida. With 40,000 deaths and growing, when will they get it and stop protesting to end lockdown. I am just glad I do not live there and have a Scottish Government who are protecting their people by not ending lockdown too soon. After all said, lives are very important, finance will recover - it always does in time, once you die who cares about finance !!
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 19:47
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Originally Posted by helipixman
Remember this quote I made back in March 2020. It seems the US and maybe the UK did things too late regarding the Lockdown ? We should have learnt something by watching the rest of the World, particularly Europe but did'nt.

Having looked tonight at a few flight tracking programmes, the average amount of aircraft flying in the UK was no more than 50 ! A fair number of them were Cargo flights and Emergency helicopters, many overflights and a few light aircraft. Scotland where I live had none for most of the day. WELL DONE UK

Then I looked at the US and I know its a far bigger country, there were on average 1,500 ? Plenty of regional airliners. From the head of the country to the general public I don't think many of them really get it. Plenty going into New York and Florida.
The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act requires Continuation of service requirements The Secretary of the US Department of Transportation may require, to the extent reasonable and practicable, an air carrier receiving a loan, or loan guarantee, or payroll protection grant to maintain levels of scheduled air transportation service as the Secretary of Transportation deems necessary to ensure that services to any point served by that carrier before March 1, 2020 are continued. When determining whether to exercise this authority, the Secretary of Transportation shall consider the air transportation needs of small and remote communities and the need to maintain well-functioning health care and pharmaceutical supply chains. The Secretary of Transportation's authority to require air carriers to maintain certain levels of service expires on March 1, 2022.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 21:13
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helipaxman, and also bear in mind that a great majority of these flights are most likely not operating with full loads. Possibly quite the contrary.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 21:22
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If all of the 1,500 flights are medical or cargo then fine, but I doubt it. And with government assisted air carriers receiving loans to maintain a level of scheduled transport with passengers they are then paying to spread the virus. Its a matter of what is essential. Take it here in Scotland, a major Airport, Edinburgh last week had most days without any passenger movements. Thats the one of the ways to stop spreading the virus.
America has the most deaths from COVID 19 and I am sure if this air traffic continues it will get far worse. 54,974 deaths and nearly 1 million reported cases already the highest anywhere in the World. American population 328 million (54,974 deaths), UK population 66.5 million (20,000 deaths) China population 1.4 billion and only 4,600 deaths (if you believe that). Some thing early on went horribly wrong in both the UK and US, its like oh ! it won't happen to us, act before its too late, do not ease lockdown. Fortunately the UK is doing so now. The US seems to be a different story ?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 21:57
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Around 40,000 Americans die each year due to gunshots so what did Americans do at the start of the Coronavirus? While we were queuing for toilet rolls they were queuing to buy more guns. No lockdown in the States due to gun deaths.


China population 1.4 billion and only 4,600 deaths (if you believe that). Some thing early on went horribly wrong in both the UK and the US
We are not a Communist state where they could shut off parts of the country and duff up the locals who broke restrictions.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:32
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We are not a Communist state where they could shut off parts of the country and duff up the locals who broke restrictions.
Very true, but it may happen here in the UK soon, Nicola Sturgeon has threatened to shut the country off from England by closing the border if England ease the lockdown too early.





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Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:40
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Originally Posted by helipixman
Very true, but it may happen here in the UK soon, Nicola Sturgeon has threatened to shut the country off from England by closing the border if England ease the lockdown too early.
She can threaten all she likes, but she absolutly no power to do it.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:50
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Spain has imposed various restrictions that effectively forbid UK passport holders from entering Spain as tourists. Yes there are exceptions, but most Brits who go for a week of sun on the beach are caught by this

Suppose an airline has sold tickets for a flight from the UK to Spain, with a travel date during the lockdown, and decides to operate the flight instead of cancelling. I'm NOT thinking specifically of Wizz/Tenerife here, it's a more general question

Who is liable in the event of a pax being refused entry to the country ? Airline or pax ?
If a pax checks in online with a UK/EU passport and recives a boarding card, is the airline entitled to refuse boarding at the gate ?
Can the airline decline a refund on the grounds that the seat was available and said flight operated, and use the get-out that responsibility for compliance with immigration rules lies with the passenger and not the airline ?
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:11
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Your contract with the airline is to transport you safely from A to B. It is upto the individual to ensure the correct visa/residencias etc are in order. Well thats my understanding of the simple rules of the consumer.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:17
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Originally Posted by helipixman
Very true, but it may happen here in the UK soon, Nicola Sturgeon has threatened to shut the country off from England by closing the border if England ease the lockdown too early.
Can't/won't happen. No legislation to do so and nobody to physically enforce it. Political willy-waving from Pointless Nicola and the Pointless Parliament which has been reduced to merely parroting anything that No.10 puts out and making silly statements such as the above.

Where's the exit plan?
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:18
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Spain has imposed various restrictions that effectively forbid UK passport holders from entering Spain as tourists. Yes there are exceptions, but most Brits who go for a week of sun on the beach are caught by this

Suppose an airline has sold tickets for a flight from the UK to Spain, with a travel date during the lockdown, and decides to operate the flight instead of cancelling. I'm NOT thinking specifically of Wizz/Tenerife here, it's a more general question

Who is liable in the event of a pax being refused entry to the country ? Airline or pax ?
If a pax checks in online with a UK/EU passport and recives a boarding card, is the airline entitled to refuse boarding at the gate ?
Can the airline decline a refund on the grounds that the seat was available and said flight operated, and use the get-out that responsibility for compliance with immigration rules lies with the passenger and not the airline ?
I can't see any airline operating this until states begin to lift restrictions.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:18
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Depends on what the restrictions are - isn't an airline required to ensure you have the right (immigration?) status to enter the country
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:36
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Can't/won't happen. No legislation to do so and nobody to physically enforce it. Political willy-waving from Pointless Nicola and the Pointless Parliament which has been reduced to merely parroting anything that No.10 puts out and making silly statements such as the above.

Where's the exit plan?
She was asked the question and she made it quite clear that she had no power to do so, even if she wanted to. Oddly enough it would be much easier than, say, between northern Ireland and Eire, because there are only a few crossing points.
Don't believe the newspapers.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:53
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Air travel, what's that? There isn't any coming in or going out from Australia. We have shut the border. Just some mercy flights bring home stranded Aussies.
Our interstate borders are also travel restricted.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 14:52
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I know Nicola Sturgeon was only hinting at the borders being shut off to England, who knows what might have happened if she got Independence. Lets hope she is not close friends with Mr Trump together they would rebuild Hadrians wall
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 15:02
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"together they would rebuild Hadrians wall"

All of which lies in England - it's an hour drive from Pons Aelius to Scotland friends..............
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 15:17
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Being in England wouldnt stop either of them, they seem to do what they want !
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 18:06
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Originally Posted by helipixman
I know Nicola Sturgeon was only hinting at the borders being shut off to England, who knows what might have happened if she got Independence. Lets hope she is not close friends with Mr Trump together they would rebuild Hadrians wall
What complete and utter bollocks. I've been following the debate closely and at no time have I heard Miss Sturgeon even hint at a closed border. In fact she has been constantly supporting a four nations approach across the UK . If it has been hinted at then I'd like to see the evidence - sounds more like the media twisting her comments. And as regards being friends with Mr Trump you obviously don't know your Scottish politics despite being from Edinburgh.
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What complete and utter bollocks. I've been following the debate closely and at no time have I heard Miss Sturgeon even hint at a closed border. In fact she has been constantly supporting a four nations approach across the UK . If it has been hinted at then I'd like to see the evidence - sounds more like the media twisting her comments. And as regards being friends with Mr Trump you obviously don't know your Scottish politics despite being from Edinburgh.
Firstly I do not like your tone, the use of bad lanquage "Bollocks" is disgraceful on this site. However I feel I have never resorted to bad language to get a point across.
She must have said something because every Newspaper is reporting it even the Scottish ones, websites etc. You must have seen it or perhaps don't want to. Get your facts straight I didn't say she was friends with Mr Trump. I said I hope she is not and what has that got to do with me living in Edinburgh and not knowing anything about Scottish Politics either, perhaps you might like to slag me off for being English too. I also watch the Government media and press reviews so know what I see.
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