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Old 10th Sep 2020, 16:30
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No worries all...

In this afternoons Aviation Sector Debate in the House the latest Aviation Minister Richard Court (who?) was given his first run out & assured all that in the role he is fully committed to working with the industry...

During much of the short debate BAW/IAG management were eviscerated by speakers from all sides of the house for their approach & treatment of staff.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 17:04
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Add Portugal, but exclude Madeira and The Azores. He could take Sweden off the naughty step giving the recent very low figures, but I doubt he will.
Correct. Are you Grant Shapps in disguise?
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Quarantine from Saturday if you come from mainland Portugal. Hungary, French Polynesia and Reunion also added to the list

Sweden taken off the list.

As far as the revolving door of Government Ministers is concerned, part of my job many moons ago was to be part of a team trying to influence politicians and ministers on various aviation matters. It was a matter of some annoyance when Ministers changed - usually once a year in those days - and we had to start again almost from scratch.

As Sir Robin Day said to John Nott - you're just a here today and gone tomorrow politician. Enjoy
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If I told you I might have to shoot you!
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 10:09
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It is not a political post at all, it is a comment on this govts lack of managerial skill. 5 Ministers in the space of a few years ? If you were a company with 5 CEO in that time frame what would your shareholders think of the management of the company ? I would just like to see some form of management in the UK from somebody in charge, other than crisis type being currently undertaken. This is not just a comment on Bojo and this team, it is an indictment of the political class currently serving the UK. To have that many ministers in so short a time is ridiculous, what chance have they got to get in control of their brief, or even know their staff by name, it's a joke, and if you are in the aviation sector I would suggest it is currently not a very funny one either.
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Who in their right mind would actually want the job of aviation minister in the current climate. Battered from all sides, no thanks !😬
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 16:03
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JULY


HEATHROW 866,655 down -88.8
STANSTED 468,537 down -83.0
LUTON 467,605 down -74.1
MANCHESTER 332,158 down -89.6
GATWICK 280,475 down -94.1
EDINBURGH 168,976 down -88.8
BIRMINGHAM 135,145 down -90.0
BRISTOL 121,115 down -87.6
BELFAST INTERNATIONAL 103,921 down -83.7
LIVERPOOL (JOHN LENNON) 81,890 down -83.5
EAST MIDLANDS INTERNATIONAL 79,447 down -86.1
GLASGOW 68,952 down -92.9
ABERDEEN 59,338 down -78.8
LEEDS BRADFORD 52,631 down -89.1
NEWCASTLE 49,623 down -91.7
DONCASTER SHEFFIELD 26,530 down -83.8
BELFAST CITY (GEORGE BEST) 22,976 down -91.0
JERSEY 21,845 down -88.4
SOUTHEND 20,819 down -91.1
BOURNEMOUTH 16,280 down -82.9
PRESTWICK 13,851 down -82.9
LONDON CITY 12,653 down -97.4
INVERNESS 11,568 down -87.9
SUMBURGH 9,962 down -62.5
SOUTHAMPTON 7,594 down -95.8
NORWICH 6,715 down -88.5
CITY OF DERRY (EGLINTON) 6,683 down -65.3
GUERNSEY 5,962 down -93.3
ISLES OF SCILLY (ST.MARYS) 5,003 down -62.9
LANDS END (ST JUST) 4,172 down -46.9
CARDIFF WALES 3,506 down -98.3
KIRKWALL 3,393 down -79.3
ALDERNEY 2,705 down -51.5
ISLE OF MAN 2,611 down -96.6
NEWQUAY 2,387 down -96.0
STORNOWAY 2,359 down -80.7
EXETER 2,150 down -98.1
TEESSIDE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 1,429 down -88.9
HUMBERSIDE 1,372 down -93.3
BENBECULA 1,027 down -65.4
BLACKPOOL 530 down -67.7
TIREE 514 down -66.8
BARRA 429 down -68.7
DUNDEE 383 down -78.7
ISLAY 304 down -91.7
BIGGIN HILL 275 down 16.5
CAMPBELTOWN 162 down -79.7
LERWICK (TINGWALL) 79 down -71.0
OXFORD (KIDLINGTON) 61 down Null
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 18:36
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The Govt since election is not so much lurching from crises to crises as driving down a road hitting pothole after pothole with each one bigger than the next.

Brexit is not so much on the horizon as being the horizon, zero planning being done because most businesses are still trying to get grips with returning from Covid lockdown.

Bricks and mortar retail is dead with many pension funds looking at big holes because their previous "safe" property investments are gone, amazon and online retailers booming who pay minimum wage and thousands of delivery drivers on self employed contracts barely making a living wage.

Aviation is dead because no one is travelling yet Govt has zero clue about how to plug the gaps in UK aviation taxation shortfall. Pre Covid to end of March 20 it was heading for 4 billion, this year it will be lucky to be 300 million. UK already highly borrowed but now owes more than Total GDP and that is before any Brexit impact. But lets have another lockdown when we have no clue what is happening and force the media to comply.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 19:08
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Oh well, we had better shake that Magic Money Tree again then.
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That Magic Money Treee or Fountain of Endless Money for Government spending is dying quite rapidly.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 11:01
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Beginning to think Denmark and Slovenia might be put onto the quarantine list pretty soon for those travelling to the UK...
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“Air traffic levels remain low, and more importantly, they are not likely to recover in the near future,” Valean states in explaining the decision to implement a waiver. “In this context, the lack of certainty over slots makes it difficult for airlines to plan their schedules, making planning difficult for airports and passengers.”
Flight - European Commission agrees to waive 80:20 airline slot rule for winter
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Old 14th Sep 2020, 16:54
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80:20 airline slot rule?

What is that 80:20 airline slot rule? Didn't understand it...?
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Old 14th Sep 2020, 18:41
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Use 80% of your slots, or risk losing them.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 14:03
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Oh right! crazy! thanks!
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Came through LHR T2 last night - usually enjoy coming through T2 as it is spacious and rarely busy. Apart from yesterday. It was horrendous. Social distancing to get through border control was non-existant putting passengers and staff at risk. I've never spent as much time getting through to the eGates as I did yesterday (45 minutes).

Many passengers are turning up without having filled the passenger locator form... surely this should be a prerequisite before departure? These are people who also need to quarantine for 14 days (LOL).

LHR need to get a grip. Any chance at least another terminal may be reopening soon - T3 being the obvious candidate?
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 18:01
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Dannyboy - Until passenger numbers demand it I think T3 and T4 will remain closed.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 18:06
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Denmark somehow escapes being put on the UK's quarantine list, making the Danish tourist board happy. Slovenia is less fortunate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54197620
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 18:36
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I'll be surprised if T4 is ever used again.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 19:03
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Another fully fledged convert to project doom !!
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 19:59
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Jesus! I hope you're on a wind up?

If the last few days has taught me anything, it proves that even in the worst circumstances people will still travel... and frankly the public at large are idiots. My short flight yesterday on a network carrier had connectors from all of the world... I was sat next to someone from Sao Paulo and in front of me someone from the US.

Despite quarantines everywhere, over 3.5m enplanements occured in the month of July 2020 alone in the UK. A small number admittedly, but we will get out of this.
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