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Old 14th Aug 2020, 10:14
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The governments mistake was not introducing quarantine months earlier.

The airlines and airports are not helping themselves by not enforcing social distancing measures so I don't see why the Government should give them any slack. Airlines like Wizz and Ryanair don't give a monkeys about spreading the virus so long as they can achieve a full flight.

Wizz BS advert


Wizz reality at Luton with double queuing and requiring passengers to be at the gate 40 minutes before departure.




More Wizz BS showing plenty of empty seats.


More reality from LTN with masks off when Wizz sell food and drinks to make money.
I normally respect your contributions but you have no grasp of reality in this case. Social distancing = cost. This cost is paid for by the airlines who will go bust if they canít get bums on seats and fill aircraft. Why shouldnít Wizz sell food on board for consumption when you can sit in a cafe or restaurant and eat with no mask on?

May I suggest those at risk or extremely worried isolate forever more and leave others to get on with their life and take the risk. This has been going on now for a good 10 months and we canít playing the game that the government are playing.

Boris was too late to take any action which prompted a complete lock down and crippled industries. It is entirely on his shoulders.

Furthermore the concern at the start was the impact on the NHS. Well since then numerous hospitals have been built and staff recalled to assist where needed, and PPE apparently sourced (subject to differing opinions). Surely the concerns are alleviated a bit in this respect and therefore we can go on with our daily life albeit taking some precautions that donít exist in the pre-Covid world even if they cannot apply 100% of the time?

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Old 14th Aug 2020, 12:05
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In Madeira it is a requirement to wear masks everywhere except when eating
The island has no cases because everyone is tested on entry, for free My test was done at 1630 with the result texted to me at 0130 Was asked to stay in hotel until then
They have picked up a handful of positives in the last 3 months, these miscreants are housed in a government provided hotel, the island hoteliers agreed on a suitable venue which they provided
The airport has a capacity of 200 tests Per hour, It would be a major operation at Lhr but there are plenty of empty hotel available.
if Boris wants to be proactive he should send a government minister out here to learn the ropes
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 22:37
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Latvia now requires all people arriving from the UK to spend 2 weeks in quarantine
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 05:57
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Latvia now requires all people arriving from the UK to spend 2 weeks in quarantine
And some will find this a ridiculous decision as I do about having to Quarantine coming back from the Canaries.So to be absolutely clear I am in quarantine not because I have arrived back from the Canaries but because I am now resident in what these people call a "an at-risk country" the UK.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 06:52
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I'm sorry to appear dim but I don't understand what you mean. I thought you said previously you had arrived in Scotland from the Canaries.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 07:26
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The way things are going quarantine will be widespread throughout the world.
A report on Business Traveller says that Airports Council International (ACI) World is calling on governments to consider replacing blanket quarantine requirements with “robust testing” programmes for travellers. In the UK that will probably fall on deaf ears.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 07:37
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This whole episode is ridiculous and I suspect will largely be ignored. Boris himself said we have had great success in a recent solo press conference when he delayed ice rinks nail bars and beauty salons from opening.
He stated we have the virus infection down to 1 in 1900 of the population
So do the maths, say itís 2000, that divides into 100,000 at 50. In other words he himself knows we are equal or not worse than most of Europe, as our deaths total proves. So he then obscures the truth by announcing the opening of the above as Q is introduced for France Holland etc. Double talk
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 09:09
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As I was at pains to point out last week the European countries infection rate published daily is the 14 day cumulative number of new cases based upon those tested not on those within the whole population that are estimated to have the disease, that surveys such as that from the ONS calculate. Unless you can find data similar to the ONS research for all other European countries you simply cannot make that comparison. I'm not supporting the way that quarantine policy is applied - far from it - but the data has to be like-for-like to mean anything.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 11:06
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ECDC stats are out for today. It's already been mentioned in the press, but at 32.2 and 30.2 cases per 100,000 over the last 14 days respectively, Croatia and Czechia are on the 'at risk' list for quarantine of people arriving in the UK

Denmark is also at risk with 31.5 cases, but Denmark is already fairly strict about people arriving from the UK, so traffic between the UK and Denmark is already constrained
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 11:16
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Coronavirus: Croatia, Greece and Turkey could join UK quarantine list amid spikes in COVID-19 cases

http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...cases-12050886
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 13:21
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Coronavirus: Croatia, Greece and Turkey could join UK quarantine list amid spikes in COVID-19 cases

http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...cases-12050886
Looking at the Greek figures for daily new cases, which are now running at a higher level than they were during the "first wave" I would say there is no justification for keeping them off the list; and there is a general consensus that Erdogan and his henchmen are massaging the Turkish figures too.

It really is difficult to see how the air travel industry, and perhaps even more so, the tour operating industry is expected to survive Covid-19. The latter rely on the summer revenue to pay the winter bills and make them profits; now there is next to no revenue coming in, and it looks very likely that what revenue there would be in normal times during the winter season could also be decimated.

There are very few industries that I would like to be working in at the moment from a job security perspective, and travel and tourism is right down the bottom of that list, sadly.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 20:54
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
ericsson16

I'm sorry to appear dim but I don't understand what you mean. I thought you said previously you had arrived in Scotland from the Canaries.
"I'm sorry to appear dim" So am I.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 18:23
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As I was at pains to point out last week the European countries infection rate published daily is the 14 day cumulative number of new cases based upon those tested not on those within the whole population that are estimated to have the disease, that surveys such as that from the ONS calculate. Unless you can find data similar to the ONS research for all other European countries you simply cannot make that comparison. I'm not supporting the way that quarantine policy is applied - far from it - but the data has to be like-for-like to mean anything.
I completely agree with you, but I guess there has to be some like-for-like comparison. Countries like the UK with a now robust and aggressive testing regimes are now finding the cases, but being penalised (perhaps the wrong word) as a result of such testing. Only Denmark is the only country in Europe with over 1m population has tested more people per head of population.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 22:35
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Lithuania now requires people travelling from the UK to go into quarantine for 14 days
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 09:15
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From the BBC
The UK is hoping to bring in mass testing to help ease restrictions, the health secretary has said.

“This is a really, really important drive that we have across government," Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

He said testing people regularly could allow measures such as quarantining for arrivals from high-risk countries to be lifted.

Hancock added that new technologies, such as faster tests, where results can come back in minutes, were being looked at, and the government was planning to ramp up testing for the remainder of the year..

Now why didn't somebody think of that before!! Better late than never if it materialises.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 09:41
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The UK is hoping to bring in mass testing to help ease restrictions, the health secretary has said.

ďThis is a really, really important drive that we have across government," Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

He said testing people regularly could allow measures such as quarantining for arrivals from high-risk countries to be lifted.

Hancock added that new technologies, such as faster tests, where results can come back in minutes, were being looked at, and the government was planning to ramp up testing for the remainder of the year..

Now why didn't somebody think of that before!! Better late than never if it materialises.
As usual the UK is two steps behind the Germans, and one step behind the Italians. Incidentally on Euronews this morning they have reported a number of positives arriving from Eastern European countries at Fiumicino already this week. Meanwhile the UK just lets people wander in, complete a questionnaire online that nobody reads, and ask them to do a quarantine that nobody polices. I think we can count ourselves very lucky that the UK doesn't have a new case rate double what we have at the moment.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 12:49
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Incidentally on Euronews this morning they have reported a number of positives arriving from Eastern European countries at Fiumicino already...I think we can count ourselves very lucky that the UK doesn't have a new case rate double what we have at the moment.
Is this down to where the pax are coming from? Itís my observation on frequent travels there that Italy receives far more flights from Albania, former Yugoslavia and Ukraine than we do in the UK and they are more problem areas at the moment. The troublespot we have in common is Romania. On the other hand we seem to have much greater immigration than Italy from Central Europe, Poland and the Baltics which touchwood have managed the virus much better.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 14:31
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Already mentioned on the Southend thread (thanks to Barling Magna), but Norway now requires people arriving from the UK to go into quarantine
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 16:31
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Croatia goes onto the naughty step and if travelling back to Scotland folk travelling back to Switzerland will have to quarantine.

But Portugal removed from Q requirements - launch the fleet! (From BBC)
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 16:57
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People arriving in the UK from Austria will also need to quarantine
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