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Old 19th Jul 2020, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Cloud1
Wholeheartedly agree - have become a little tired of listening to the Unions talking only about crew - it takes many cogs to keep the wheel going. Also nonsense about using the retirement of an ageing fleet as an excuse to reduce heads - give me a break. VS have retired theirs as have many airlines in the past...they are gas guzzling during a time where there isn’t the demand to fill them at premium yield. I know there is a lot of ill feeling towards BA and my view is if you don’t like it, leave.
Its the Unions job to negotiate and represent THEIR members(paying their dues) if ancillary and clerical staff are Unionised it’s THEIR Unions job to voice concerns on behalf of their members.

Naturally all job losses should be voiced and are equally tragic !
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 09:45
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Its the Unions job to negotiate and represent THEIR members(paying their dues) if ancillary and clerical staff are Unionised itís THEIR Unions job to voice concerns on behalf of their members.

Naturally all job losses should be voiced and are equally tragic !
Unites conduct through this has been shameful in comparison to Balpa; and I can only imagine crew in other airlines also going through the same restructuring are sick of hearing about BA crew. VS, EasyJet and even Jet2 have all seen cuts but we donít see picketing and slots being threatened there.

Unites approach is entirely counter productive particularly around their insistence on reducing BAís landing slots at LHR.

I feel this has the potential of increasing a divide between crew and other airline personnel.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 10:13
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Originally Posted by TURIN
Theres always one.

This hasn't been an exclusive pilot's forum for nearly twenty years. I know as that was when I joined. This is the BA forum, not the BA Pilot's forum.
There are plenty of other 'exclusive' pilot forums (fora?) within Pprune, If you don't like mixing with the rest of us stick to them.

The vast majority of pilots and cabin crew I have met in a near forty year career have been decent, amiable people. Try and be the same eh. It won't hurt you know.
if you donít like criticism, donít post nonsense!
where else should pilots be discussing pilot issues?? The BALPA forum is only for members and many of them do not like the lack of anonymity with the fear culture that exists at many airlines. Not discussing other roles is not insensitive, itís simply not normally relevant in a pilot forum. What bit of PROFESSIONAL PILOT RUmour Network do you not understand?

Any statement that starts with ĎI donít want to be X, but....í invariably means you are exactly X. You have proven the point perfectly but didnít like being called out on it. Accept this IS a pilots network where pilots should, and will, discuss pilot issues. If you donít like that then perhaps you need to find another forum ??
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 12:12
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What a pity that we have all this rancour & bitterness. It amply illustrates why all the power is concentrated in one of the two sides involved. I leave you to determine for yourselves exactly which side that may be.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 16:18
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Originally Posted by Cloud1
Unites conduct through this has been shameful in comparison to Balpa; and I can only imagine crew in other airlines also going through the same restructuring are sick of hearing about BA crew. VS, EasyJet and even Jet2 have all seen cuts but we don’t see picketing and slots being threatened there.

Unites approach is entirely counter productive particularly around their insistence on reducing BA’s landing slots at LHR.

I feel this has the potential of increasing a divide between crew and other airline personnel.
Na its the members not voicing their valid concerns to shop stewards . Going to sound sexist however the women seem to wait instructions rather than provide that instruction !
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 20:25
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Medical

Hi everyone,
been looking for answer everywhere recently. Just got my first myopia prescription (20/70 in worse eye which is -1.25). Iím 15 and hoping to join BA in the coming years.
Do I have a good chance, if I work hard in school or will my eyes give me a disadvantage compared to other candidates?
Do BA still host their own medical or not?
Thanks in advance.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 12:31
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Originally Posted by Lew540
Hi everyone,
been looking for answer everywhere recently. Just got my first myopia prescription (20/70 in worse eye which is -1.25). Iím 15 and hoping to join BA in the coming years.
Do I have a good chance, if I work hard in school or will my eyes give me a disadvantage compared to other candidates?
Do BA still host their own medical or not?
Thanks in advance.
Be prepared for many changes in life expectations, be very flexible and get those grades,take a gap year and have some fun itís worthwhile then consider a degree in whatever subjects you excel at.

Come back when youíre 21 and then decide seriously


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Old 20th Jul 2020, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Come back when youíre 21
....and someone may have actually answered your specific queries!
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 13:19
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Lew - while I agree with much of what Rutan wrote, think about learning to fly / gain a PPL during university years. If you end up flying for a living, you want to make sure you will *really* enjoy it
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 13:52
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The advice above is all good. In addition, 5-6 years from now opportunities may be better than the present time with a lot of qualified pilots looking for work.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 14:01
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Medical

Thanks everyone for the replies. I've recently emailed the CAA and other airlines such as BA regarding their recruitment - they've mostly replied with the same advice (Concentrate on getting the qualifications while also looking after yourself). I have recently been slightly worried as most people label airline pilots as '100% healthy'. So this advice has helped me greatly. I will concentrate on getting my qualifications - and possibly achieve my dream of captaining the A380 one day!
Thanks Everyone.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 14:56
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Did the 747s make up about a quarter of the long-haul fleet and maybe a third of the capacity?

Online fleet lists have already removed them.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 15:41
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Originally Posted by Too Few Stripes
if you donít like criticism, donít post nonsense!
where else should pilots be discussing pilot issues?? The BALPA forum is only for members and many of them do not like the lack of anonymity with the fear culture that exists at many airlines. Not discussing other roles is not insensitive, itís simply not normally relevant in a pilot forum. What bit of PROFESSIONAL PILOT RUmour Network do you not understand?

Any statement that starts with ĎI donít want to be X, but....í invariably means you are exactly X. You have proven the point perfectly but didnít like being called out on it. Accept this IS a pilots network where pilots should, and will, discuss pilot issues. If you donít like that then perhaps you need to find another forum ??
Where to start?

It is you that is spitting their dummy out. I very politly, I thought, suggested that when referring to the current difficulties we could use the term 'staff' instead of 'crew'. (The term 'crew' refers to flying staff not just pilots) Just an idea to maybe refrain from marginalising the vast number of BA staff who are not crew. I wasn't having a dig, but you have chosen to take it as such and then come across as elitist telling me and every other non-pilot to sling our hooks. Thanks for that. Next time you are stuck down the line, remember there is a vast army of non flying staff looking after your interests to try and get you, your aircraft, crew and passengers home.

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It doesn't say 'pilots' only!
There are a number of forum within Pprune aimed specifically at non-pilots and also 'everyone'. Jet blast and the Computer forum spring to mind. This 'British Airways' forum is no different. I see posts on here from everyone, passengers, crew, ground staff, managers, admin the lot. It is not an exclusive pilot's forum. Get over it.
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Old 31st Jul 2020, 13:47
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Noted that BA intend to temporarily ground x 4 A380ís, assume this is further to the entire A380 fleet being stored during lockdown. Canít help but think this is the start of the end for the double decker!
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Old 31st Jul 2020, 15:04
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And is terminating the A318 operations too.
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Old 31st Jul 2020, 15:34
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Noted that BA intend to temporarily ground x 4 A380ís, assume this is further to the entire A380 fleet being stored during lockdown. Canít help but think this is the start of the end for the double decker!
I'm not clear what distinction you are making between "stored" and "temporarily grounded".
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I'm not clear what distinction you are making between "stored" and "temporarily grounded".
all were stored during lockdown, of which some are now returning to service. However, 4 are being temporarily grounded until further notice. Simply highlighting that anything with four engines is at risk for the future!
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"Some are now returning to service"??
They are simply positioning to LHR for routine maintenance as I understand it, then returning to CHR for further storage.

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Old 31st Jul 2020, 17:24
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Originally Posted by SKOJB
all were stored during lockdown, of which some are now returning to service. However, 4 are being temporarily grounded until further notice. Simply highlighting that anything with four engines is at risk for the future!
Ah, OK, I'm with you now.

I don't think any are actually back in service yet - there is only one currently at LHR, although G-XLEH must be due back from Manila soon so there may be another about to go out there. It's hard to think what routes might support an A380 right now.
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British Airways values and standards

Given the awful way staff have been treated at British Airways resulting in widespread condemnation of the company has the time now arrived when the title British should be removed from this business ?

Does the organisation and its culture reflect the true values and standards of the British people ?

The underlying essence of being British might amongst many things be viewed as having an underlying sense of fair play and given that the company is really an international group of businesses should we continue to allow the operations of this business to be associated with our national identity when its corporate, standards, goals and values seem to differ and contrast so much from the traditions of our national culture ?

Was the privilege of being called British Airways natural when it was a Nationalised asset ?

However now that it is part of a global group of companies is it appropriate that the business continues to wrap itself in our national flag and continues to call itself British ?

Does concept of being British involves identification with values and standards which are of much deeper significance and permanence than mere short term corporate expediency ?


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