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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 16:01
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The Director Of People has left BA according to CH Aviation. Does that help your cause..
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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 16:14
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Does the organisation and its culture reflect the true values and standards of the British people ?
anglosaxon business model?
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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 16:28
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Slippery slope if you think an airline's name is meant to reflect a sense of its country. Because surely the very first airline whose name must change would be the USA carrier, United Airlines.
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Does the organisation and its culture reflect the true values and standards of the British people ?
Which are? Define that and then the debate is worth having.

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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 16:39
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As wiggy asks, what are they?

In case you hadn't noticed the cultural identity of the UK has changed enormously over the past 50 years with the influx of people whose cultural background is different from the original indigenous population of say 70 years ago.

Not a judgement simply a fact.
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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 16:51
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FFS really? All for a bit of BA bashing but what a pointless thread.

Worst crisis ever. Could they have handled it better? Yes, could staff groups have behaved better? Yes. Everyone has some responsibility. Rather than trying to tear the company apart knuckle down and drag the company through. Wait for the pendulum to swing in our favour then campaign for our rewards.

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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 17:46
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To quote the great Robbie Burns O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!"
As mentioned above , I would hate to think what some people would define as Britishness. Drunkiness, loutishness, warmongers, chavs?
Reading the daily newspapers one would certainly be forgiven for thinking they are the main character traits of the average Brit, though I would like to think there is a silent majority with better traits tucked away at home
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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 17:50
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Good point bex88..a couple of points if I may.

Firstly knocking lumps out of BA management is one thing, criticising certain individuals, indeed the whole management committee, is IMHO fair enough...they have thick skins..OTOH knocking lumps out of BA, the entity, and worse still perhaps encouraging people not to fly with them does very little, if anything, to help those still working at the company..in fact it could end up being positively damaging for many people's job prospects..

Secondly please remember some of the public perception of "BA" has been generated by a clever PR campaign run by on particular organisation who very definitely have an axe to grind.


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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 18:15
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Wiggy, true. Ba is us. It is the front line staff.

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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 19:37
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As far as cabin crew redundancies go,the demise of the legacy crew will hit the airline so hard.
Many crew have over 25 years experience,a substantial number,much more.
Nothing like being greeted and taken care of,flying home from the other side of the world,by experienced,highly trained crew.
Imagine the future,a crew of inexperienced youngsters,complemented by the odd,bitter and disillusioned old timer,on vastly inferior pay and conditions.
Not the ideal senario for a customer experience perspective.
Combined with disgruntled flight crew,demoralised ground staff and embittered engineers,doesn't bode well does it.
Not the BA experience we are used to,not a future i look forward to either.
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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 19:40
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Do the passengers in economy really care enough to pay extra ? People said the world would end when BA made economy short haul pax pay for a sandwich and gin & tonic.... but the world carried on
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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 20:07
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Oh how we live in unprecedented times and its altogether very unsettling for all of us in the industry.

As it stood before the current crisis BA particularly its short haul was at an enormously large cost disadvantage when compared to the low cost airlines, who have immeasurably lower costs and operate in the same market pairs.

The industry wage, especially in cabin crew, (and various ground handling jobs) has been dropping, with many roles being outsourced by many airlines in order to attempt to somewhat level the playing field of cost. The low cost airlines are the ones who have torn the Ts & Cs up and brought in substantially lower starting salaries. I understand people are angry but also worth considering the macro environment. If BA is to survive it will need to slim down its cost base. It looks like it will be firmly reliant on its short haul flying for some time, without its profitable US operation that would appear to subsidise its less profitable short haul flying. Management are left with limited options and nothing they attempt to do will be attractive to those impacted.




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Old 2nd Aug 2020, 20:41
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
Do the passengers in economy really care enough to pay extra ? People said the world would end when BA made economy short haul pax pay for a sandwich and gin & tonic.... but the world carried on
The world carried on but most of their short haul passengers now fly with EZY and the other LCCs.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 07:18
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The world carried on but most of their short haul passengers now fly with EZY and the other LCCs.
Really! Most of my short haul passengers come to LHR to go onto a LH destination. BA have the SH resources sitting there. While our network feeding operation is broken, let us go head to head with EZY, RYR etc on point to point leisure traffic.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 12:09
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Really! Most of my short haul passengers come to LHR to go onto a LH destination. BA have the SH resources sitting there. While our network feeding operation is broken, let us go head to head with EZY, RYR etc on point to point leisure traffic.
Maybe BA should have held on to BHX and MAN as bases
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 16:02
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bex88......I would suggest that is exactly what BA are doing, moving the point to point leisure traffic from LGW to the much more attractive LHR. Certainly more attractive for those of us living north of the river.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 16:21
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bex88......I would suggest that is exactly what BA are doing, moving the point to point leisure traffic from LGW to the much more attractive LHR. Certainly more attractive for those of us living north of the river.
...and those of us living north of London!

Absolutely delighted our flights to Funchal have decanted to LHR. I think some weeks last year there were 9 weekly to FNC from Gatwick with double daily at weekends. There might be an argument for at least one or two of those to remain at Heathrow.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 17:27
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Except surely that many areas to the north of London have direct trains to LGW while LHR requires at least one change?
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I have bad news for you FNC and the other LGW Holiday routes are returning to LGW on the 9/9
it was pragmatic to move all to LHR when LGW had limiting operating hours last and this month
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I have bad news for you FNC and the other LGW Holiday routes are returning to LGW on the 9/9
it was pragmatic to move all to LHR when LGW had limiting operating hours last and this month
Mmm, mine at end of Sept has only just been moved from LGW to LHR. I would be surprised if all up and running at LGW early Sept.
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