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Old 24th Jan 2019, 10:05
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 10:07
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So we might see some detail now. For all it's many pages, the Mayor's proposals was remarkably light considering the sums involved.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 10:18
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 13:47
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Wonder if we can now speculate what any new routes and airlines will be?

What will Beafer's new beef be?

if I was to speculate, I would suggest something from Flybe - maybe a Paris? Where else could Flybe take us?

Maybe a few 'w' holiday charters?

I would say nothing material though until at least Summer 2020.

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 14:28
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It's an intersting question - the Mayor's case is all about global connectivity, so Heathrow would be the obvious choice, but...

After that Dublin, for links to the West, and there is (will be) the Stobart connection, but EIR and RYR have both cut back from NCL recently.

Paris? Well KLM are better placed than anybody to know who goes where, but would they be cutting their own throats? (and Paris would see unlikely without an Air France code-share). Any other ideas?

Suppose it depends how big the Mayor's route development pot is (or are we getting back into 'brown envelope' territory!? )
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 15:06
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What will Beafer's new beef be?
like a dog with it's arse cannot leave it alone.

Maybe a few 'w' holiday charters?
hopefully but probably a bit pushed to get everything sorted.

or are we getting back into 'brown envelope' territory!?
That's a Newcastle thing I presume.

Must be loads of things to sort out as so much is sheared between the two airports, Doncaster has DTVAs large cargo lifter to state one item.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 16:06
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I guess the question is, does Teesside try and copy what NCL and LBA do or try something different? The problem is that it has a smaller, less affluent catchment area with no obvious demographic differences. It is not like there is a huge resident East European population who could be serviced by a Polish based plane that would also do a couple of trips to the med every day before heading back home. Airlines can of course create demand but maybe it is going to rely on subsidies from a foreign airport as well to attract a less obvious route.

Looking at the most popular European destinations that are not covered by either LBA or NCL you have: Milan (both airports), Lisbon, Frankfurt, Bucharest, Munich, Bordeaux, Keflavik, Rome, Stockholm, Valencia and Toulouse. I am not sure that many of these are obvious for MME (although personally Stockholm would be fabulous for me). If we look for more traditional summer sun destinations how about Catania, Gibraltar, Izmir or Mikonos?

If we look at routes where LBA/NCL underperform compared to the national picture then Barcelona, Madrid, Nice, Naples, Budapest, Berlin, Prague, Geneva, Venice and Split are the ones that stand out.

So I would go for:
  • Domestic: Belfast (plus of course Heathrow longer term)
  • Bucket & Spade: Palma, Alicante, Mallorca & Dalaman all did well before in terms of passenger numbers. Gibraltar, Izmir.
  • Winter Sun: Tenerife South or Lanzarote
  • Cities: Hard one to call, if NCL struggle to make cities work, I am not sure how MME can. DUB is an obvious one but only if FR can be tempted. Maybe BCN is on the up again after all the negative news stories.
Hopefully we will get some clarity on the Brexit impact soon but it is hard to see airlines rushing to start flights against the backdrop of a a weak pound. Ultimately it will depend on how good the mayor & the operator are at wooing the like of TUI, Thomas Cook, Easyjet, Ryanair, Jet2 and Vueling; and how much of a price premium Teessiders are prepared to pay to fly from their local airport. Despite their financial problems on long haul, let's not discount Norwegian who have a large UK business but are not present in the North East.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 16:36
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Bmi Regional back to Heathrow!!! And while I'm dreaming, a pony.
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I think realistically we're looking at a Stobart Air/Flybe/Virgin Regional ATR/Dash 8 base with a seasonal Embraer operating to the Med, and that's based on the assumption that Stobart are the operators. TUI are reducing not expanding at the moment so I wouldn't count on them. Can't see who else there is?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 18:29
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A doubly good day then!
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Beafer
All those doubters saying that Peel wouldn't sell him the airport.
All those doubters who said Peel just wanted the land, only for them to let the lot go for a fraction of its true value at the first time of asking
Originally Posted by Beafer
Its good to see the back of Peel. I'm glad DTVA didn't turn into another Sheffield Airport debacle.
Nor would it ever have
Originally Posted by Beafer
Signing off for good now Peel are gone.
It truly is a day of giving the people what they want!!

In fact, as noted previously, the Mayor is on record as saying if all else fails he will build all over the airport and no-one batted an eye - why is it perfectly ok for him to do it but not Peel?! Same as he stops public money going to TUI via Peel for a base and then the next day sets up a public money airline incentive fund with no-one questioning why it hasn't yielded results?! Madness.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 19:01
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It’s an expensive business running an airport...A 10 year time frame to make it work?


Dont shout..however the whole area,and it’s my opinion..would have been better served with the airport remaining open...with connectivity to Amsterdam,Aberdeen and yes..maybe London.Limited housing and other developments.
The financial pot available being shared out for desperately needed infrastructure,road and rail improvements?

To me it’s schedules ,for the future of the area that are important..not a weekly Palma,Alicante etc. Those schedules are not obvious?

Heard Newcastle, who do quite well for those types of flights have just lost a potential Munich due Brexit...that factor will also affect Teesside Airport...interesting times.

Finally,cheers Beafer..enjoy your retirement...bet you will be back though!
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 20:13
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Routes

My prediction, so probably totally wrong, is a CAX-MME-SEN and then SEN-MME-CAX-BHD type of route, which is why the Carlisle routes have not been put on sale yet, waiting for this to be agreed. And also a few IT routes in 2020.

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BH Air

Will be interesting to see how the Burgas route performs this summer. Hopefully it does well enough for them to stick around.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 08:21
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The December stats from CAA show that the Amsterdam route was 8604 up 6% and Aberdeen 1133 down 52%
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Shall we just note this story for posterity?

Mrs Jones, who is a Conservative councillor, said people in Middleton St George wanted to see the airport succeed."We want the airport," she said. "This plan is going to create jobs and it is going to provide us with a proper airport again and help businesses in the area.
Village 'welcomes airport plan': Middleton St George councillor
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 13:31
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So Labour sold the airport to a private operator, and the Tories bought it back into public ownership? Politics is confusing these days.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 14:18
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And the Tory councillor who has been a thorn in the side for years is now all for it - who'd have thought?
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 18:26
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SealinkBFa local Torie councillor and NIMBYs scuppered every plan to develop the place in the 80s and 90s, cargo flights, training flights early holiday flights and a multi million pound development for cargo and aircraft maintenance, sparrows couldn't even fart before the phone was ringing. Thus the Labour councils slowly sold it to Peel, who also sold it to a Canadian company and took it back before on paper accepting a Tory mayors plan, who has said if it doesn't work he can build on the site.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 09:01
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Forgive me for not knowing - What was the network bmi baby had?
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