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Old 15th Dec 2017, 19:10
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Believe it when I see it..but Carlisle flights semi announced to 3 destinations not served from here!
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 13:45
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Answered your own question there, the air ambulance should take up one of the plots at the airport. The planned hangar at Urlay Nook looks as if its big enough for more than one helicopter.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 19:00
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Although the heading on the webpage says" land for sale", can't actually see any mention of land being for sale in the brochure.

The objection to the helicopter base looks perfectly reasonable (and not something you'd bother with if flying was expected to stop! that's what the planning process is for
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 21:08
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Yes the new air ambulance location should definitely be opposed by Peel, you don't really want helicopter activity that close to final approach unless they are required to call tower for takeoff clearance despite not being on the airport site.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 09:17
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One off holidays to Malta (25/05/18) and Madeira (16/11/18) available on the Super Breaks website (in addition to Seville - no sign of GIB yet)
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 17:57
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Movements website reporting a Verona as well
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 18:35
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Ah, that one's from Durham Airport - the other two are from Durham Tees Valley!
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 23:13
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Excellent news! [sarcastic] If a few one-off holiday charters works well for them and could be a sign of good things to come in the future, maybe they could see if they can attract something a bit more regular? Maybe Thomson or someone like that?[/sarcastic]
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 05:47
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a few one-off holiday charters +

Maybe Thomson or someone like that -
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 11:29
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Yes, excluding the commercial terms between the airline and the airport (although I guess we can assume that TUI & Thomas Cook will be able to get better deals than most other tour operators/airlines), I thought the issue was the volume of passengers on each flight.

The airport is currently geared around flights of typically 60 people a time flying to Amsterdam (and less to Aberdeen). The passenger traffic is also spread out throughout the day focused on business people who dont bring huge amounts of luggage and are not so price sensitive.

A TUI 738 takes 189 pax and is a far bigger larger logistical challenge as it causes a one time spike in demand for the airport's services (check in, security, baggage handling, catering etc). A couple of flights a week from an airline paying little-or-nothing in landing fees probably causes more trouble than it is worth.

Unfortunately, unless MME can get an airline to commit to a decent schedule or a based aircraft, small scale charters and business routes are probably the only route to go down.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 11:37
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They did two 738s full in one go on Saturday. Presume no hold luggage as they were day trips to see father Christmas, possibly kids prams at the most in the hold.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 13:28
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Yes the new air ambulance location should definitely be opposed by Peel, you don't really want helicopter activity that close to final approach unless they are required to call tower for takeoff clearance despite not being on the airport site.
It's controlled airspace! Of course they'd need DTVA ATC clearance for any movement in and out of there. So if something was on final approach the ambulance patient would just have to wait.
I suspect the Peel objection is just an attempt to scupper the proposed new base so they have to move back on to Peel-owned land.
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a few one-off holiday charters +

Maybe Thomson or someone like that -
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assuming they've got somebody who can do hard sums to sign off the contract this time!

A TUI 738 takes 189 pax and is a far bigger larger logistical challenge as it causes a one time spike in demand for the airport's services (check in, security, baggage handling, catering etc). A couple of flights a week from an airline paying little-or-nothing in landing fees probably causes more trouble than it is worth.

Unfortunately, unless MME can get an airline to commit to a decent schedule or a based aircraft, small scale charters and business routes are probably the only route to go down.
The recent Santa flights and the announced Super Breaks flights uses EnterAir 738s', so the logistical challenges are the same (and to be honest, not that much greater than the EMB). I'd have thought regular weekly flights would be less of a resource challenge than one off charters scattered though out the year.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 19:33
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Superbreak

According to the Gazette, there will be 7 superbreak destinations:

Florence
Gibraltar
Iceland
Seville
Malta
Madeira
Verona

Sounds good!
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 19:38
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If they all operate!! Web site is awful to book on!!

It’s a good swop though for Newmarket and Omega Holiday flights over the last couple of years ,,even though probably evens passenger wise?

Worried about Eastern..other links are pretty ominous... again though..devils advocate..Loganair good swop??
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Newmarket and Omega Holiday, think at least one of these is operating through KLM.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 20:06
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If they all operate!! Web site is awful to book on!!
and looking at the news story on the airports website, you get:

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Old 18th Dec 2017, 21:25
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Speaking of costs, CAA stats show an average of 5 pax per flight using the Norwich route.

I know it's a tag-on to the ABZ flight, but how is it economical to have (I assume) full security and handling in place for so few people? It's not even as though there are other flights anywhere near the same time to spread the cost.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 22:20
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According to the Gazette, there will be 7 superbreak destinations:

Florence
Gibraltar
Iceland
Seville
Malta
Madeira
Verona

Sounds good!
Sudden upturn in the Airports fortunes even if it is on a very limited basis .
I'm a slight bit jealous- I would love to fly to and visit Iceland .
But it means either 6 hours to Belfast once on the mainland or approx 3 to Dublin ..
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 22:24
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It's controlled airspace! Of course they'd need DTVA ATC clearance for any movement in and out of there. So if something was on final approach the ambulance patient would just have to wait.
I suspect the Peel objection is just an attempt to scupper the proposed new base so they have to move back on to Peel-owned land.
Sorry to post twice in succession but say for example a very serious incident - well most helicopter call puts are.
If imagine an order to turn away and go around , E.g. KLM1499 ( Whatever) turn right 130 climb 3000 etc ..
Emergency priority?
Police chopper may have to wait but for life and limb.
Besides I thought they had bases at other Airports? Leeds? Or is it now the former Sheffield airport?.
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