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Wonder if we can now speculate what any new routes and airlines will be?
What will Beafer's new beef be?
if I was to speculate, I would suggest something from Flybe - maybe a Paris? Where else could Flybe take us?
Maybe a few 'w' holiday charters?
I would say nothing material though until at least Summer 2020.
Thoughts?
What will Beafer's new beef be?
if I was to speculate, I would suggest something from Flybe - maybe a Paris? Where else could Flybe take us?
Maybe a few 'w' holiday charters?
I would say nothing material though until at least Summer 2020.
Thoughts?
It's an intersting question - the Mayor's case is all about global connectivity, so Heathrow would be the obvious choice, but...
After that Dublin, for links to the West, and there is (will be) the Stobart connection, but EIR and RYR have both cut back from NCL recently.
Paris? Well KLM are better placed than anybody to know who goes where, but would they be cutting their own throats? (and Paris would see unlikely without an Air France code-share). Any other ideas?
Suppose it depends how big the Mayor's route development pot is (or are we getting back into 'brown envelope' territory!?
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After that Dublin, for links to the West, and there is (will be) the Stobart connection, but EIR and RYR have both cut back from NCL recently.
Paris? Well KLM are better placed than anybody to know who goes where, but would they be cutting their own throats? (and Paris would see unlikely without an Air France code-share). Any other ideas?
Suppose it depends how big the Mayor's route development pot is (or are we getting back into 'brown envelope' territory!?
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What will Beafer's new beef be?
Maybe a few 'w' holiday charters?
or are we getting back into 'brown envelope' territory!?
Must be loads of things to sort out as so much is sheared between the two airports, Doncaster has DTVAs large cargo lifter to state one item.
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I guess the question is, does Teesside try and copy what NCL and LBA do or try something different? The problem is that it has a smaller, less affluent catchment area with no obvious demographic differences. It is not like there is a huge resident East European population who could be serviced by a Polish based plane that would also do a couple of trips to the med every day before heading back home. Airlines can of course create demand but maybe it is going to rely on subsidies from a foreign airport as well to attract a less obvious route.
Looking at the most popular European destinations that are not covered by either LBA or NCL you have: Milan (both airports), Lisbon, Frankfurt, Bucharest, Munich, Bordeaux, Keflavik, Rome, Stockholm, Valencia and Toulouse. I am not sure that many of these are obvious for MME (although personally Stockholm would be fabulous for me). If we look for more traditional summer sun destinations how about Catania, Gibraltar, Izmir or Mikonos?
If we look at routes where LBA/NCL underperform compared to the national picture then Barcelona, Madrid, Nice, Naples, Budapest, Berlin, Prague, Geneva, Venice and Split are the ones that stand out.
So I would go for:
Looking at the most popular European destinations that are not covered by either LBA or NCL you have: Milan (both airports), Lisbon, Frankfurt, Bucharest, Munich, Bordeaux, Keflavik, Rome, Stockholm, Valencia and Toulouse. I am not sure that many of these are obvious for MME (although personally Stockholm would be fabulous for me). If we look for more traditional summer sun destinations how about Catania, Gibraltar, Izmir or Mikonos?
If we look at routes where LBA/NCL underperform compared to the national picture then Barcelona, Madrid, Nice, Naples, Budapest, Berlin, Prague, Geneva, Venice and Split are the ones that stand out.
So I would go for:
- Domestic: Belfast (plus of course Heathrow longer term)
- Bucket & Spade: Palma, Alicante, Mallorca & Dalaman all did well before in terms of passenger numbers. Gibraltar, Izmir.
- Winter Sun: Tenerife South or Lanzarote
- Cities: Hard one to call, if NCL struggle to make cities work, I am not sure how MME can. DUB is an obvious one but only if FR can be tempted. Maybe BCN is on the up again after all the negative news stories.
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I think realistically we're looking at a Stobart Air/Flybe/Virgin Regional ATR/Dash 8 base with a seasonal Embraer operating to the Med, and that's based on the assumption that Stobart are the operators. TUI are reducing not expanding at the moment so I wouldn't count on them. Can't see who else there is?
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All those doubters who said Peel just wanted the land, only for them to let the lot go for a fraction of its true value at the first time of asking
Nor would it ever have
It truly is a day of giving the people what they want!!
In fact, as noted previously, the Mayor is on record as saying if all else fails he will build all over the airport and no-one batted an eye - why is it perfectly ok for him to do it but not Peel?! Same as he stops public money going to TUI via Peel for a base and then the next day sets up a public money airline incentive fund with no-one questioning why it hasn't yielded results?! Madness.
It truly is a day of giving the people what they want!!
In fact, as noted previously, the Mayor is on record as saying if all else fails he will build all over the airport and no-one batted an eye - why is it perfectly ok for him to do it but not Peel?! Same as he stops public money going to TUI via Peel for a base and then the next day sets up a public money airline incentive fund with no-one questioning why it hasn't yielded results?! Madness.
It’s an expensive business running an airport...A 10 year time frame to make it work?
Dont shout..however the whole area,and it’s my opinion..would have been better served with the airport remaining open...with connectivity to Amsterdam,Aberdeen and yes..maybe London.Limited housing and other developments.
The financial pot available being shared out for desperately needed infrastructure,road and rail improvements?
To me it’s schedules ,for the future of the area that are important..not a weekly Palma,Alicante etc. Those schedules are not obvious?
Heard Newcastle, who do quite well for those types of flights have just lost a potential Munich due Brexit...that factor will also affect Teesside Airport...interesting times.
Finally,cheers Beafer..enjoy your retirement...bet you will be back though!
Dont shout..however the whole area,and it’s my opinion..would have been better served with the airport remaining open...with connectivity to Amsterdam,Aberdeen and yes..maybe London.Limited housing and other developments.
The financial pot available being shared out for desperately needed infrastructure,road and rail improvements?
To me it’s schedules ,for the future of the area that are important..not a weekly Palma,Alicante etc. Those schedules are not obvious?
Heard Newcastle, who do quite well for those types of flights have just lost a potential Munich due Brexit...that factor will also affect Teesside Airport...interesting times.
Finally,cheers Beafer..enjoy your retirement...bet you will be back though!
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Routes
My prediction, so probably totally wrong, is a CAX-MME-SEN and then SEN-MME-CAX-BHD type of route, which is why the Carlisle routes have not been put on sale yet, waiting for this to be agreed. And also a few IT routes in 2020.
Shall we just note this story for posterity?
Village 'welcomes airport plan': Middleton St George councillor
Mrs Jones, who is a Conservative councillor, said people in Middleton St George wanted to see the airport succeed."We want the airport," she said. "This plan is going to create jobs and it is going to provide us with a proper airport again and help businesses in the area.
SealinkBFa local Torie councillor and NIMBYs scuppered every plan to develop the place in the 80s and 90s, cargo flights, training flights early holiday flights and a multi million pound development for cargo and aircraft maintenance, sparrows couldn't even fart before the phone was ringing. Thus the Labour councils slowly sold it to Peel, who also sold it to a Canadian company and took it back before on paper accepting a Tory mayors plan, who has said if it doesn't work he can build on the site.