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Old 19th Feb 2019, 20:23
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The proposed contract is a completely different beast to that which Cobham currently have. From a quick look at the history and the shifting alliances of participants, I would say that the prospect of finding it who does what from where is quite a distant one...

However, MME still has the same advantages that led to Cobham chosing it in the first, so might be attractive to whoever wins.

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Old 21st Feb 2019, 01:17
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'Brian Clough International' would be good Joking aside, they would still need a geographical name as in the case of John Lennon and George Best airports. 'Teesside' didn't do them a great deal of harm for the many years it was called that, although the name 'Middlesbrough' might be better known internationally
Oh yeah had forgotten about good old Cloughie! Agree that Middlesbrough should be in the name.

Are TUI going to come back after being given the elbow not so many moons ago? They helped to give Teesside it's core bucket and spade business, I believe schedule flights will be harder to find in the short term. Heathrow would seem to be a long way off at returning, Dublin and Brussels might work, however a low cost airline is the only solution as far as I can see.
Regretably, Heathrow is a long way off, but it's needed to connect the area to the world and to the businesses of the Thames Valley.

We are going round in circles again, but the mayor sold the deal on connecting Teesside businesses to the world, not cheap holidays for voters.=left
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So what would a loco be the solution to?
Why can't it be a bit of both if TUI was willing to come back? Take what you can get to rebuild the airport.


They mayor might have sold it as connecting Teesside businesses to the world but voters probably went to the ballot box thinking of cheap holidays.
Doesn't matter if it brings business to the airport. Everyone's a winner?

As a Londoner who is a regular visitor to Durham, on every trip these days I lament the loss of the LHR-MME service on British Midland Airways (not the confused mess bmi became). It would be amazing if it came back but somehow I doubt BA would ever even consider it but maybe it might be tested out be the new incarnation of FlyBe which seems to be becoming know ans Virgin Connect. Hopefully a couple of services a day on a DH8 would be sustainable and at least as profitable as their current LHR-EDI and LHR-ABZ operations where they are using a DH8 up against BA A320s.=left
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Here's hoping.
Me too, also used the British Midland service a few times visiting friends, bloody convenient!

Any remedy slots left for this? Not convinced that all 14 are being used. Might have been a better idea than duplicating existing routes......What about a PSO arrangement?


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Old 25th Feb 2019, 17:38
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Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank

Me too, also used the British Midland service a few times visiting friends, bloody convenient!

Any remedy slots left for this? Not convinced that all 14 are being used. Might have been a better idea than duplicating existing routes......What about a PSO arrangement?

There aren't any remedy slots because BD had ceased to operate the route before the sale to BA and for that matter there weren't any for GLA for the same reason. Remedy slots were there for EDI, ABZ and MAN but AFAIK they were all used on EDI and ABZ.

In the new world FlyBe/Virgin Connect are introducing one rotation LHR-GCI in the late afternoon each day but that's all that has happened so far and it's using a VS slot that had been leased to Cobalt - timings are exactly what the Cobalt LCA service was using.

I doubt MME would qualify for a PSO and again AFAIK they only relate to some of the Scottish Islands with nothing on the mainland and given the service from Darlington to KGX there would never be an argument.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 18:08
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Isn't NQY-LHR a PSO route? I agree the train service would probably rule it out, not to mention the AMS flts and LHR from LBA and NCL
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 18:35
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Does anyone have a load factor for Flybe's EDI-LHR? Just with the prospect of common ownership between us all I suspect there may just be enough empty seats to justify it becoming an EDI-MME-LHR...perhaps with an upgrade to E175? Wild speculation of course but probably the most plausible of all the LHR theories, which before now were completely pointless.

In other route news KLM are dropping the afternoon flight during July/August again...
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 19:03
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Does anyone have a load factor for Flybe's EDI-LHR? Just with the prospect of common ownership between us all I suspect there may just be enough empty seats to justify it becoming an EDI-MME-LHR...perhaps with an upgrade to E175? Wild speculation of course but probably the most plausible of all the LHR theories, which before now were completely pointless
Would this meet the remedy slots criteria?
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 01:19
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Originally Posted by Skyflier
There aren't any remedy slots because BD had ceased to operate the route before the sale to BA and for that matter there weren't any for GLA for the same reason. Remedy slots were there for EDI, ABZ and MAN but AFAIK they were all used on EDI and ABZ.

In the new world FlyBe/Virgin Connect are introducing one rotation LHR-GCI in the late afternoon each day but that's all that has happened so far and it's using a VS slot that had been leased to Cobalt - timings are exactly what the Cobalt LCA service was using.

I doubt MME would qualify for a PSO and again AFAIK they only relate to some of the Scottish Islands with nothing on the mainland and given the service from Darlington to KGX there would never be an argument.
Seems a bit silly: duplicating what already exists when increasing connectivity would make more sense. Whose idea was that?

Fair point about KGX but consideration has to be given to connecting pax and those pax headed to points in the south other than London city centre.


Does anyone have a load factor for Flybe's EDI-LHR? Just with the prospect of common ownership between us all I suspect there may just be enough empty seats to justify it becoming an EDI-MME-LHR...perhaps with an upgrade to E175? Wild speculation of course but probably the most plausible of all the LHR theories, which before now were completely pointless.
Novel idea, would need to be a very quick stopover at MME and this is definitely possible because it's a small quiet airport. Also doesn't need to be on all five (?) of the LHR-EDI flights.



Would this meet the remedy slots criteria?
Who knows! Shouldn't do because it's bringing another non-BA airport on-stream .
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Smooth Radio reporting that DTV is best airport in the country for delays! I laughed at first cynically thinking 'there's no flights to be delayed' then I remembered about Eastern's performance and decided it was quite the achievement!
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 11:41
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Who knows! Shouldn't do because it's bringing another non-BA airport on-stream
The aim of the remedy slots is to maintain competition on routes where BA bought out the existing competitor
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 21:21
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It seems a perfectly reasonable suggestion to me but no doubt it would be met with more red tape and bureaucracy than would be worth the hassle
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Anyone know if Middlesbrough hosting Radio 1s Big Weekend is likely to generate any extra traffic? Some helicopters and a couple of private jets perhaps?
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 11:06
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January CAA stats:
Terminal passengers: 9,803 - down 7% v prior year
Aberdeen: 1,533 - down 44%
Amsterdam: 8,221 - up 8%

Amsterdam shows year-on-year growth for the 16th month in succession and it was the best January on the MME-AMS route since 2008. Aberdeen down again due to the extra Loganair flights last year but was up slightly on January 2017.

Rolling 12 month passengers: 138,851
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 17:40
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Just been told there's a press conference at the airport tomorrow, new operator announcement?
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Well , as we approach the end of March..it should be the new operator?

However..could be a short period charter operation? I honestly don’t know!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 11:43
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https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...port-operator/
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 12:41
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Should come as no surprise to anybody that Stobart are the new operators (and part owners) - here's hoping they can hit the ground running by bringing in new business links. It's not going to be easy of course... otherwise it would have all happened in the past few years. Can't help but wonder whether a link to Southend would appease those wanting a link to London, only an hour by train to the city, similar timing to Heathrow and Gatwick. Seems a logical step now really.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 13:23
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Stobart are the new operators (and part owners)
Stobart are part owners (25%) of the holding company which will run the airport - the airport is 100% owned by the various bits of local govt.
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Is the $300 million figure for the Stobart Ryanair deal correct?
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Probably a question for the Southend thread
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Does the airport need money spent on its infrastructure? Stobart will be more than happy if 75% of the cost is met by the public purse - not least because the main contractor for major upgrades is likely to be part of the Stobart Group.
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