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... as many from MAN often state, I wouldn't believe everything you say in the media.
The Birmingham Post article is a prime example of bigging up Birmingham. It even states that something along the lines of 'Birmingham Airport were unable to comment but stated that they are keen to work closely with Chinese Airlines to bring scheduled flights to BHX in the future"
Yes, Paul Kehoe is a very vocal manager and a great advocate for Birmingham Airport as you would expect of him. But to those of you that took the effort to read past the headline, you'll realize its just uninformed newspaper journalists rather than attack from the top of BHX!!!
The Birmingham Post article is a prime example of bigging up Birmingham. It even states that something along the lines of 'Birmingham Airport were unable to comment but stated that they are keen to work closely with Chinese Airlines to bring scheduled flights to BHX in the future"
Yes, Paul Kehoe is a very vocal manager and a great advocate for Birmingham Airport as you would expect of him. But to those of you that took the effort to read past the headline, you'll realize its just uninformed newspaper journalists rather than attack from the top of BHX!!!
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Mr Kehoe accepts the accolades; Mr Pearson quietly produces the goods. One is an embarrassing clown, the other is an indispensable executive asset and the true architect of BHX's recent success. Guess who is the true professional and who would rather play the pantomime villain?
Whilst airports do compete robustly for new business, I don't recall Messrs. Cornish or O' Toole pumping out childish tweets with monotonous regularity. I hope they're never tempted to join the Twattosphere if that is the level of output we can look forward to.
We won't take it to heart. He is BHX's embarrassment.
Whilst airports do compete robustly for new business, I don't recall Messrs. Cornish or O' Toole pumping out childish tweets with monotonous regularity. I hope they're never tempted to join the Twattosphere if that is the level of output we can look forward to.
We won't take it to heart. He is BHX's embarrassment.
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He is playing the game, just as Manchester did few years back plonking adverts advertising Manchester Airport right outside Birmingham Airport. These asking Brummies to fly from a proper International Airport..Manchester.
Plonking adverts in your competitors zone is one thing, and there is no love lost in war with that respect.
What Mr Kehoe is doing, is playing the dirty game of disparaging your competitors with slurs and infactual rantings.
Mr Kehoe has accused MAN of 'prostituting itself to get in airlines', insinuated MAN is only where it is through incentives, the BHX has the stronger catchement but MAN has the deeper pockets and that it gets unfair government loans to win over air services. All of which are wrong.
When was the last time you saw Ken O'Toole or the Cornishes state 'BHX only gets routes through pay offs' or other similar slurs. I certainly can't remember a time?
But of course, you are likely only defending him because he is the boss of the beloved BHX. I'm sure if Mr O'Toole of Cornish started spouting the crap Mr Kehoe does, you would have something to say about it. We are unlikely to ever know, however, given the attacks are one way only!
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PK has achieved exactly what he wanted and that's people talking about BHX! Yes it might not have been in the best of ways but like they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.
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Pegasus will run a 3 weekly Dalaman on Mon/Wed/Fri and 1 weekly Antalya on Saturdays next summer.
On top of that, there was an article a year or so ago that said Pegasus were looking at a MAN, LPL or LBA flight to Istanbul SAW, well, looks like they have plumped for Manchester in the end. Istanbul will be up to 4 daily next summer it seems:
anna.aero meets Pegasus Airlines? Sales VP, Emre Pekesen
On top of that, there was an article a year or so ago that said Pegasus were looking at a MAN, LPL or LBA flight to Istanbul SAW, well, looks like they have plumped for Manchester in the end. Istanbul will be up to 4 daily next summer it seems:
We would also like to introduce services to Manchester from our Sabiha Gökçen hub in time for the start of next years summer season.
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PK is also forgetting the £350m yes that's £350m being thrown at the HS2 HQ at the rather underwhelmingly named "Digbeth"is he not !
In some ways it's feint praise from Mr Kehoe.
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In some ways it's feint praise from Mr Kehoe.
The Mancunian Republicans are cocky enough to believe they are better than London whilst others are simply content to hang on to our shirttail 👍
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PK is also forgetting the £350m yes that's £350m being thrown at the HS2 HQ at the rather underwhelmingly named "Digbeth"is he not !
In some ways it's feint praise from Mr Kehoe.
The Mancunian Republicans are cocky enough to believe they are better than London whilst others are simply content to hang on to our shirttail 👍
In some ways it's feint praise from Mr Kehoe.
The Mancunian Republicans are cocky enough to believe they are better than London whilst others are simply content to hang on to our shirttail 👍
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The HS2 HQ is going in Birmingham City Centre within 2 Snowhill, with the £350m college being spread across 2 sites in the UK, one being in "Digbeth" (though im at a loss to what is wrong with the name) and the second being built in Doncaster ... though I don't get your point with regard to the relevance of HS2 as stops are being built at both BHX and MAN?!?
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No, he is not playing the same game at all.
What Mr Kehoe is doing, is playing the dirty game of disparaging your competitors with slurs and infactual rantings.
Mr Kehoe has accused MAN of 'prostituting itself to get in airlines', insinuated MAN is only where it is through incentives, the BHX has the stronger catchement but MAN has the deeper pockets and that it gets unfair government loans to win over air services. All of which are wrong.
When was the last time you saw Ken O'Toole or the Cornishes state 'BHX only gets routes through pay offs' or other similar slurs. I certainly can't remember a time?
What Mr Kehoe is doing, is playing the dirty game of disparaging your competitors with slurs and infactual rantings.
Mr Kehoe has accused MAN of 'prostituting itself to get in airlines', insinuated MAN is only where it is through incentives, the BHX has the stronger catchement but MAN has the deeper pockets and that it gets unfair government loans to win over air services. All of which are wrong.
When was the last time you saw Ken O'Toole or the Cornishes state 'BHX only gets routes through pay offs' or other similar slurs. I certainly can't remember a time?
Im open to be corrected but I don't remember PK saying MAN 'prostituting itself to get in airlines', all I remember was his tweets about "£12m from the gov to get a northern power route going' and him saying that 'MAG has deeper pockets than us'
Now granted I am going to be biased but whether you like them or not, seem them as slures or attacks are another, but if they are facts then what do you expect him to say. We will never know if the £12m quote is a fact, but one fact we can say is that I suspect MAG does have much deeper pockets than BHX, and as such, are likely to be able to offer greater incentives or reduced fees as such.
Like him or loath him, PK and his team have worked wonders for BHX over the last 18 months, with more growth than the airport has seen over the last few months in its history. BHX has 10 new airlines, has attracted all 5 of the European 'Big 5' Loco's, and has put BHX on a pedestal its has never afforded before. To call him an embarrasement is far from the truth I my eyes...
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The comment about Manchester 'prostituting itself' was a few years ago now. It was an interview about how BHX could increase traffic, and, his quote at the time was on the lines of 'it's about getting the balance right, we don't want to prostitute our selfs like airports such as Manchester have done to get growth'. If I remember rightly, he was referring to Ryanair re-opening expanded Manchester operations, and this myth by PK was disproven as Michael O'Leary stated at the time that the new deal was worse than the one he was previously on.
So, you say they are facts, so what do you expect him to say? They are not facts, are they though?
His b*tch about MAN receiving a '£12m subsidy to get the Hainan flight' was nothing of the sort. It was a general Visit Britain grant to promote the whole Northern area. He even conceded that on an email to a supporter, didn't he! Some facts they are if you have to retract what you said!
What PK failed to mention, is that Birmingham and its vicinity have been subject to very similar grants, and BHX, as well as other UK airports, is currently I receipt of a grant again for Turkish Airlines. Notice how he is t b*tching about that one, is he?
At the end of the day, I expected nothing less than the BHX supporters coming on here to defend their new Demi-God. But, I find it a bit rich for the BHX clan telling us to 'calm down', 'it's just business' and the likes, as I strongly suspect you would be quick to complain if the barrage was heading in your direction rather than from your direction.
Tell you what, if O'Toole ever says something like 'BHX is a low yielding destination that requires subsidies to work' or 'BHX has a tiny travelling catchment so needs grants to get routes' along with several other rants, then we will see if you continue in your 'keep calm, it's just business' mantra. I strongly suspect you would all be up in arms.
Given O'Toole has better things to do than mouth off on Twitter, and in the media however, we will likely never find out wil we?
The comment about Manchester 'prostituting itself' was a few years ago now. It was an interview about how BHX could increase traffic, and, his quote at the time was on the lines of 'it's about getting the balance right, we don't want to prostitute our selfs like airports such as Manchester have done to get growth'. If I remember rightly, he was referring to Ryanair re-opening expanded Manchester operations, and this myth by PK was disproven as Michael O'Leary stated at the time that the new deal was worse than the one he was previously on.
So, you say they are facts, so what do you expect him to say? They are not facts, are they though?
His b*tch about MAN receiving a '£12m subsidy to get the Hainan flight' was nothing of the sort. It was a general Visit Britain grant to promote the whole Northern area. He even conceded that on an email to a supporter, didn't he! Some facts they are if you have to retract what you said!
What PK failed to mention, is that Birmingham and its vicinity have been subject to very similar grants, and BHX, as well as other UK airports, is currently I receipt of a grant again for Turkish Airlines. Notice how he is t b*tching about that one, is he?
At the end of the day, I expected nothing less than the BHX supporters coming on here to defend their new Demi-God. But, I find it a bit rich for the BHX clan telling us to 'calm down', 'it's just business' and the likes, as I strongly suspect you would be quick to complain if the barrage was heading in your direction rather than from your direction.
Tell you what, if O'Toole ever says something like 'BHX is a low yielding destination that requires subsidies to work' or 'BHX has a tiny travelling catchment so needs grants to get routes' along with several other rants, then we will see if you continue in your 'keep calm, it's just business' mantra. I strongly suspect you would all be up in arms.
Given O'Toole has better things to do than mouth off on Twitter, and in the media however, we will likely never find out wil we?
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Time for the mods to step in and stop this nonsense surely.
20,000 working in or around MAN and yet the same 4 or 5 grown adults on here, twitter, Facebook etc with their multiple IDs who are determined to treat the airport like a football team. It's not.
Bizarrely, I reckon most don't even work at the airport and I'd wager not even in aviation at all.
20,000 working in or around MAN and yet the same 4 or 5 grown adults on here, twitter, Facebook etc with their multiple IDs who are determined to treat the airport like a football team. It's not.
Bizarrely, I reckon most don't even work at the airport and I'd wager not even in aviation at all.
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North West,
Why not just skip the posts that don't interest you rather than moan?
Plenty of posts that don't interest me, but, I just skip them and get on with it?
Or just put on ignore the people who irk you so? Go on, I won't be offended!
Why not just skip the posts that don't interest you rather than moan?
Plenty of posts that don't interest me, but, I just skip them and get on with it?
Or just put on ignore the people who irk you so? Go on, I won't be offended!
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North West -
If you genuinely want to see what nonsense looks like, take a glance at Mr Kehoe's twitter account. When an executive of airport CEO stature posts slurs about the business practices of his competitors he makes himself fair game for public commentary on an industry forum such as this.
As an example, you may notice that he writes 'Northern Powerhouse' as 'Northern Po'rhouse' (more than one example of this). Obviously, he must consider the joke to lie in the implied pronunciation, because in order to type this "abbreviation" it is necessary to access a second keyboard page to select the apostrophe on many mobile devices. I'm tempted to say 'most' but I don't have them all to check. And this saves typing just one extra character which would be located on the first page of the virtual keyboard amongst the other 25 letters of the alphabet. Now this is an example of minor consequence in itself, but it is indicative of the mindset of a man who is holding the position of CEO at a major UK airport. His pettiness and public allegations of underhand tactics by businesses which compete closely with his own is embarrassing. Would you consider a 'loose cannon' CEO an asset in any business you are associated with? And don't point to BHX's success in attracting new airlines to the airport - the credit for that belongs firmly to William Pearson and his team. It seems that WP is doing the real work whilst PK behaves like a pantomime dame to attract questionable media attention.
Mr Kehoe's childish tweets which directly and publicly challenge MAN's business practices are fair game for discussion on the Manchester Airport thread.
By the way, who are the 4 or 5 contributors on here who have multiple ID's? Please spill the beans. And how did you establish the truth in all this? Or should we wager that you speak with forked tongue ... or type with forked fingers? Something like that anyway! ;-)
By the way, if you count myself amongst those who support Manchester Airport in the manner of a football fan, maybe you should read my comments concerning MAN's notorious 'NO DIVS' NOTAM policy posted over recent days. Praise only when it is warranted, offer constructive criticism when it is called for.
If you genuinely want to see what nonsense looks like, take a glance at Mr Kehoe's twitter account. When an executive of airport CEO stature posts slurs about the business practices of his competitors he makes himself fair game for public commentary on an industry forum such as this.
As an example, you may notice that he writes 'Northern Powerhouse' as 'Northern Po'rhouse' (more than one example of this). Obviously, he must consider the joke to lie in the implied pronunciation, because in order to type this "abbreviation" it is necessary to access a second keyboard page to select the apostrophe on many mobile devices. I'm tempted to say 'most' but I don't have them all to check. And this saves typing just one extra character which would be located on the first page of the virtual keyboard amongst the other 25 letters of the alphabet. Now this is an example of minor consequence in itself, but it is indicative of the mindset of a man who is holding the position of CEO at a major UK airport. His pettiness and public allegations of underhand tactics by businesses which compete closely with his own is embarrassing. Would you consider a 'loose cannon' CEO an asset in any business you are associated with? And don't point to BHX's success in attracting new airlines to the airport - the credit for that belongs firmly to William Pearson and his team. It seems that WP is doing the real work whilst PK behaves like a pantomime dame to attract questionable media attention.
Mr Kehoe's childish tweets which directly and publicly challenge MAN's business practices are fair game for discussion on the Manchester Airport thread.
By the way, who are the 4 or 5 contributors on here who have multiple ID's? Please spill the beans. And how did you establish the truth in all this? Or should we wager that you speak with forked tongue ... or type with forked fingers? Something like that anyway! ;-)
By the way, if you count myself amongst those who support Manchester Airport in the manner of a football fan, maybe you should read my comments concerning MAN's notorious 'NO DIVS' NOTAM policy posted over recent days. Praise only when it is warranted, offer constructive criticism when it is called for.
I'm with North West. This forum will get binned again very soon if things don't settle down.
In other news Qatar 787s will operate from 7th to 12th November. Not sure which flights.
In other news Qatar 787s will operate from 7th to 12th November. Not sure which flights.
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"WINDBAG NEWS" see GrahamBradyMP
Of far more importance to the good folk of Manchester than events at Birmingham is the continued flag waving for Heathrow by Graham Brady MP The Honourable Member for Sale. Gtr Manchester.
His support for Heathrow is becoming somewhat evangelical , fine if you have a view, but let's not spend every waking hour trumpeting this at the expense of local issues which quite frankly are of more interest to his constituents, than a possible multi billion pound taxpayer spend at an airport 200 miles away, which has no relevance to the local populace up here.
Of far more importance to the good folk of Manchester than events at Birmingham is the continued flag waving for Heathrow by Graham Brady MP The Honourable Member for Sale. Gtr Manchester.
His support for Heathrow is becoming somewhat evangelical , fine if you have a view, but let's not spend every waking hour trumpeting this at the expense of local issues which quite frankly are of more interest to his constituents, than a possible multi billion pound taxpayer spend at an airport 200 miles away, which has no relevance to the local populace up here.
Maybe you think he is anti-Ringway just because he supports Heathrow expansion, if so it's a very binary way of looking at things.
PK is also forgetting the £350m yes that's £350m being thrown at the HS2 HQ at the rather underwhelmingly named "Digbeth"is he not !
All that will achieve will be to suck even more economic activity towards London in a very expensive way. What's the point in that happening and where is the need?
Bizarrely, I reckon most don't even work at the airport and I'd wager not even in aviation at all.
It doesn't stop me thinking that it is sensible to develop its role as the UK's second airport, nor does it stop me thinking that it is sensible for Heathrow to be expanded as soon as possible to maintain its role as the UK's hub and to keep its position as a major world airport. It's common sense.
By the way, who are the 4 or 5 contributors on here who have multiple ID's?
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I'm done with the Paul Kehoe stuff now anyway.
He won't change, neither will this discussion change anything, but, it was good to vent at the time anyway.
In terms of Qatar, let's see if the B787's turn up this time. Scheduled for 4 flights last week, only turned up on one of them!
He won't change, neither will this discussion change anything, but, it was good to vent at the time anyway.
In terms of Qatar, let's see if the B787's turn up this time. Scheduled for 4 flights last week, only turned up on one of them!
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I have absolutely no objection to an MP commentating on secondary issues outside their normal constituency.
Nor do i have any issue at all with his support for RW3 if that is what he earnestly belives in. Everybody is entitled to their view.
I do however feel that his primary concern should be toward the people who voted him in, many of whom work at Manchester Airport and in this regard his pompous attitude I feel is appalling.
He is A typical of a journeyman MP catapulted into Westminster who is now devoid of the mechanism that got him there in the first place.
His support for all matters Heathrow is actually obsessive.This guy seemingly spends EVERY waking hour canvassing for Heathrow through every medium.
I repeat it is not his constituency and so is not one of the primary issues facing his local constituents!
I have absolutely no objection to an MP commentating on secondary issues outside their normal constituency.
Nor do i have any issue at all with his support for RW3 if that is what he earnestly belives in. Everybody is entitled to their view.
I do however feel that his primary concern should be toward the people who voted him in, many of whom work at Manchester Airport and in this regard his pompous attitude I feel is appalling.
He is A typical of a journeyman MP catapulted into Westminster who is now devoid of the mechanism that got him there in the first place.
His support for all matters Heathrow is actually obsessive.This guy seemingly spends EVERY waking hour canvassing for Heathrow through every medium.
I repeat it is not his constituency and so is not one of the primary issues facing his local constituents!
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Brady is not just some anonymous backbencher. He is Chairman of the powerful 1922 Committee, which means amongst other things that he is responsible for overseeing the selection process for any new Conservative leader. It is therefore likely that he would be a prominent advocate of the party line.
Another phenomenon we often see is that MP's whose constituencies lie close to airports often like to curry favour with noise protestors and eco-extremists rather than supporting the positive aspects of the business. Brady (to me) always gave the impression of being lukewarm about MAN. Maybe he is comparable to those London MP's whose constituencies lie very close to LHR or LGW, and in consequence vocally support development of the more distant option. Anything but more planes affecting my constituents? Wrongheaded, but not unprecedented.
Another phenomenon we often see is that MP's whose constituencies lie close to airports often like to curry favour with noise protestors and eco-extremists rather than supporting the positive aspects of the business. Brady (to me) always gave the impression of being lukewarm about MAN. Maybe he is comparable to those London MP's whose constituencies lie very close to LHR or LGW, and in consequence vocally support development of the more distant option. Anything but more planes affecting my constituents? Wrongheaded, but not unprecedented.
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Unfortunately it's not just Mr Brady that some of us consider to be misguided as shown by the article below.
The first comment by a reader after the article is perhaps a fair reflection of the concerns of those of us that see a risk (I put it no stronger) of MAN being adversely affected in terms of long haul routes, passengers and jobs. If there was such an adverse effect for MAN, I'm not convinced it would be outweighed in the North West by, for example, LPL getting a few shuttle flights to LHR.
As for the North East, NCL and LBA already have connectivity to LHR and I can't understand how a few more onward long haul destinations would make the sort of difference that's being claimed.
Shed wrote re Brady: "It is therefore likely that he would be a prominent advocate of the party line".
I suspect you're right and he will know which way the wind is blowing.
The first comment by a reader after the article is perhaps a fair reflection of the concerns of those of us that see a risk (I put it no stronger) of MAN being adversely affected in terms of long haul routes, passengers and jobs. If there was such an adverse effect for MAN, I'm not convinced it would be outweighed in the North West by, for example, LPL getting a few shuttle flights to LHR.
As for the North East, NCL and LBA already have connectivity to LHR and I can't understand how a few more onward long haul destinations would make the sort of difference that's being claimed.
Shed wrote re Brady: "It is therefore likely that he would be a prominent advocate of the party line".
I suspect you're right and he will know which way the wind is blowing.
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