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Just wondering, as the turn around of the Singapore Airlines aircraft to IAH is only 90 mins, would this leave sufficient time to process say one hundred passengers through US pre-clearance in the future? Also could delays processing passengers in US pre-clearance cause delays to the aircraft?
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The sooner SQ start this the better. Living in the southwest of Ireland and having to regularly visit family in Houston I currently have a set of poor choices. Leaving SNN for the US east coast to transfer involves long layovers outbound and late arrivals in Houston with either a 45 or 90 minute drive at the end depending on the connecting flight's use of IAH or HOU. The return by the east coast involves early departures and long layovers.
Connecting over LHR involves being up at 04.00 a four hour layover in T5 or a tight connection to T2 with an early evening arrival at IAH and a deteriorating service on BA or a mediocre service on UA. At least BA now have a 787 on the route. Currently I use the train to DUB, overnight, the 0.55 LH to FRA and, on a tight but guaranteed connection, arrive in IAH very early in the afternoon. The return is a civilised late afternoon departure from IAH and a mid morning arrival in DUB with good LH service on board.
The SQ service will allow an early morning departure from SNN, a day with friends/relatives in MAN, a good night's sleep and a reasonable check in with SQ's excellent on board service and an early afternoon arrival. The return is at a reasonable time from IAH with a good connection to DUB for a train home.
Bring it on!!
Connecting over LHR involves being up at 04.00 a four hour layover in T5 or a tight connection to T2 with an early evening arrival at IAH and a deteriorating service on BA or a mediocre service on UA. At least BA now have a 787 on the route. Currently I use the train to DUB, overnight, the 0.55 LH to FRA and, on a tight but guaranteed connection, arrive in IAH very early in the afternoon. The return is a civilised late afternoon departure from IAH and a mid morning arrival in DUB with good LH service on board.
The SQ service will allow an early morning departure from SNN, a day with friends/relatives in MAN, a good night's sleep and a reasonable check in with SQ's excellent on board service and an early afternoon arrival. The return is at a reasonable time from IAH with a good connection to DUB for a train home.
Bring it on!!
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It's currently not unknown for both Cathay and Singapore to be bussed which seems an odd sense of priorities IMHO.
Great news though that SIN-MAN is back to nonstop. When is this meant to begin btw?
Great news though that SIN-MAN is back to nonstop. When is this meant to begin btw?
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The Singapore flights will change over March 1st.
SQ327/328 have had the F class sales closed from that date as that particular flight will switch to an A350 terminating at MUC.
SQ327/328 have had the F class sales closed from that date as that particular flight will switch to an A350 terminating at MUC.
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Thank LAX, daily will be better. The departures to both SIN and IAH are well-timed to pick up connecting feed at MAN. Dropping the MUC stop is going to make SQ a lot more attractive to join at MAN whereas now you might as well join at LHR or elsewhere in Europe.
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I suspect that codeshares could play a vital role in the viability of SIA's proposed transatlantic MAN-IAH sectors. An arrangement with Star Alliance partner United Airlines would be ideal ... but would United be interested? United / United Express have a major hub operation out of IAH; fantastic connecting opportunities. Meanwhile, Singapore Airlines already codeshares with Virgin Atlantic on MAN-SIN ... another possible partner, but again would Virgin / Delta have any interest in helping SIA establish a competing route to the Southern States?
I'll keep my fingers crossed for a *A codeshare agreement with United. I really don't know how realistic that is though. Can anybody confirm what (if any) codeshares SIA offer on the existing Moscow DME-IAH service?
I'll keep my fingers crossed for a *A codeshare agreement with United. I really don't know how realistic that is though. Can anybody confirm what (if any) codeshares SIA offer on the existing Moscow DME-IAH service?
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Currently SIA does not code share as such over IAH. For example, it offers Singapore to Austin and also Nashville, both served by United Express from IAH, over the Pacific and on from the US west coast on Virgin America. This is possibly because the SIN-DME-IAH flight is seen as a point to point operation with better timings and connections over the Pacific and few using the DME-IAH sector for onward connections.
The United/United Express operation at IAH is huge and has a massive "push" from around 16.30 each day ideal for connections. The way I look at it, the new service will see less than 30% travelling through to IAH from SIN - the trans Pacific timings and connections are much better for much of the US, and for the North East the flight over AMS to JFK gives a much earlier arrival. There is a reasonable amount of freight between SIN and IAH and vice versa, Manchester has oil related freight for Texas and, having decided to give up on Moscow, breaking the flight at MAN offers a win win situation - it offers three distinct services:
SIN-MAN and return
MAN-IAH and return
SIN-IAH and return
Manchester will offer a far greater revenue potential both east and westbound than Moscow ever did. As for connections at IAH the Star Alliance partnership is there to be exploited and, even without code shares, any travel agent/desk/website will point out the Star Alliance link to holders of the various Star Alliance frequent flyer cards, though my betting is on a developing codeshare scenario as demand grows.
The United/United Express operation at IAH is huge and has a massive "push" from around 16.30 each day ideal for connections. The way I look at it, the new service will see less than 30% travelling through to IAH from SIN - the trans Pacific timings and connections are much better for much of the US, and for the North East the flight over AMS to JFK gives a much earlier arrival. There is a reasonable amount of freight between SIN and IAH and vice versa, Manchester has oil related freight for Texas and, having decided to give up on Moscow, breaking the flight at MAN offers a win win situation - it offers three distinct services:
SIN-MAN and return
MAN-IAH and return
SIN-IAH and return
Manchester will offer a far greater revenue potential both east and westbound than Moscow ever did. As for connections at IAH the Star Alliance partnership is there to be exploited and, even without code shares, any travel agent/desk/website will point out the Star Alliance link to holders of the various Star Alliance frequent flyer cards, though my betting is on a developing codeshare scenario as demand grows.
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If UA don't codeshare, it may be possible for an ANZ codeshare either instead of or in addition to the present arrangement (which I think stops short of an outright codeshare) ANZ have with SQ from MAN.
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I believe the whole SIN-MAN-IAH routing will carry a codeshare from UA.
For UA, it's a win win. They have been deliberating what to do to add MAN capacity, whether it was a 2nd EWR or new route to ORD.
This new MAN-IAH route offers that chance to add capacity and serve that capacity through Houston, also adding a new route possibility to the UA potential.
Of course it's been very strongly suggested that Newark will gain the B767-300 next summer, so, after years of stagnation from UA at MAN for a few years, next year sees a sudden jolt of acivity.
For UA, it's a win win. They have been deliberating what to do to add MAN capacity, whether it was a 2nd EWR or new route to ORD.
This new MAN-IAH route offers that chance to add capacity and serve that capacity through Houston, also adding a new route possibility to the UA potential.
Of course it's been very strongly suggested that Newark will gain the B767-300 next summer, so, after years of stagnation from UA at MAN for a few years, next year sees a sudden jolt of acivity.
It certainly is win win for UA. Pax turning up expecting a 757/767 with old interiors and poor levels of service will flabbergasted by the high levels of service that SIA offer.
Good luck to them and the route.
Good luck to them and the route.
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I had wondered if UA would start an IAH route off its own back. So this would be a win win.
Probably makes a DFW route less likely, but if the MAN-SIN stimulus kicks off there may be a case to be made for a second flight, perhaps with another tag (e.g. DUB).
Probably makes a DFW route less likely, but if the MAN-SIN stimulus kicks off there may be a case to be made for a second flight, perhaps with another tag (e.g. DUB).
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There will not be a 2nd SIN-MAN flight. Frankly, we are lucky SQ is doing what they are doing for MAN. MAN came very close to being scooted off, with a direct Scoot B787. Great for leisure pax, naff for premium pax and probably would have driven the premium pax to CX or one stop via Europe.
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Whilst North Sea oil is in decline due to both the run down of certain fields and over capacity worldwide, from observations on many LHR-IAH-LHR trips there is still a good deal of travel from and to between IAH and ABZ. Most travel business or premium economy and there is a good bit of family travel of ex pats on VFR trips, so, equally, code shares over MAN to UK destinations would be useful.
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The replacement of Moscow by MAN has been mooted since 2014 and was talked of by enthusiats and others in Houston on my visits there in 2014. A Scoot 787 would have damaged the SIA group's profitability on the route, not only because of a lower yield but also due to a lack of freight capacity compared to the current 777 capacity so it was unlikely that the Scoot option would have occurred. Also the nearest Scoot gets to MAN is Saudi Arabia with no flights outside Asia/Australasia and none planned. With the crew deals it has, it will be sometime yet before the white and yellow diagonals are seen in Europe.
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Actually, the yellow and white diagonals are making a European debut in 2017. No idea what the first route is, but, it's being announced in October. Bets are on for Istanbul and Athens.
Given the news about Moscow, I wonder if indeed now DME moves over to Scoot given its yield that's the issue in Russia now....
Given the news about Moscow, I wonder if indeed now DME moves over to Scoot given its yield that's the issue in Russia now....
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Moscow died for SIA when Russia annexed the Crimea and the West imposed sanctions. The profit on the SIN-DME sector was garnered from the financial and high end business travellers and by mid 2014 they were deserting Moscow in droves. In Houston there was talk in business and aviation circles of the need to keep the Singapore link and the initial talk was of a route across the Pacific with San Diego or Honolulu as a waypoint. By the Autumn of 2014 Manchester was seen to be firmly in the frame, then all went quiet.
Given the visa requirements and the fact that Turkey is now being opened to Russian tourists again, albeit at some risk, a Scoot service to Moscow is going to be marginal even at their costs.
Given the visa requirements and the fact that Turkey is now being opened to Russian tourists again, albeit at some risk, a Scoot service to Moscow is going to be marginal even at their costs.