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Rubble,
It wasn't a slight on you, I just didn't know if you worked for Easyjet and had prior knowledge or something.
As said, I don't think any new routes across the network were announced at all yesterday.
It wasn't a slight on you, I just didn't know if you worked for Easyjet and had prior knowledge or something.
As said, I don't think any new routes across the network were announced at all yesterday.
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Hainan.
Why are the BBC maintaining the new service will be 3 x weekly when the Hainan web site shows 4 flights on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat? Or does the BBC or whoever briefed them know something that the airline doesn't?
Why are the BBC maintaining the new service will be 3 x weekly when the Hainan web site shows 4 flights on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat? Or does the BBC or whoever briefed them know something that the airline doesn't?
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What happened to the Hainan aircraft that was supposedly visiting today and an announcement about MAN/PVG service?
The bottom line is that we have gained a new direct service to PEK and the coverage has been good for the city's profile both here and in China, both of which are good news. Unfortunately, expectations were raised higher by stories that proved unfounded and for some therefore, there is perhaps a feeling of anti-climax. However, let's see what develops in the future.
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They carried it in...
China?s President confirms £250 million Hainan Airlines link to Manchester :: Routesonline
A few comments to interpret differnet ways. Depends if you're from Manchester, Scotland or Birmingham.
as per link, credit routesonline
China?s President confirms £250 million Hainan Airlines link to Manchester :: Routesonline
A few comments to interpret differnet ways. Depends if you're from Manchester, Scotland or Birmingham.
Chen Feng, Chairman of the Board of Directors, HNA Group, the parent of Hainan Airlines has added to this speculation. ““Hainan Airlines looks forward to launching further routes between the UK and other metropolitan cities in China in the future,” he said.
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Beta... I've got a strong feeling that it's for all the above really!!
There is a lot of Chinese investment into the UK, if you look at Manchester (Graphene etc...), Birmingham (JLR, Resorts World) and Scotland - it makes sense that this is possibly the start of increased links to the UK from China. I reckon there would be a massive business case for increased links.
I predict Manchester will get new routes to other cities in China too, but also Birmingham and Edinburgh won't be too far behind. As far as I'm aware, a decent bit of ground work has been done in BHX already.
Interesting times ahead for all UK airports.
There is a lot of Chinese investment into the UK, if you look at Manchester (Graphene etc...), Birmingham (JLR, Resorts World) and Scotland - it makes sense that this is possibly the start of increased links to the UK from China. I reckon there would be a massive business case for increased links.
I predict Manchester will get new routes to other cities in China too, but also Birmingham and Edinburgh won't be too far behind. As far as I'm aware, a decent bit of ground work has been done in BHX already.
Interesting times ahead for all UK airports.
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They carried it in...
China?s President confirms £250 million Hainan Airlines link to Manchester :: Routesonline
A few comments to interpret differnet ways. Depends if you're from Manchester, Scotland or Birmingham.
as per link, credit routesonline
China?s President confirms £250 million Hainan Airlines link to Manchester :: Routesonline
A few comments to interpret differnet ways. Depends if you're from Manchester, Scotland or Birmingham.
as per link, credit routesonline
Having looked at the schedule for BRU and PRG, it seems that these long ground times are the norm.
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I posted what was seen elsewhere, but not just from any Tom, Dick or Harry.
I'm fully aware there is a lot of nonsense out there, so I chose who I take seriously carefully.
Hainan did plan an a/c at MAN, that changed though through the week as a spare a/c became a problem, that info from more than one reliable source, so the initial report was correct but in a fluid world things change...as they clearly did in this case.
The same source for the PVG route, but again he also called the PEK route with the right frequency, and days of operation, I can only think PVG will follow at some point, but not quite yet.
The news on investment from HNA Group is still there for all to see on Routes Online and other online articles, again this maybe in the pipeline, but not at a stage for it to be announced today. Who knows !!
So all in all the info that appeared through the week was fairly accurate, and may yet become even more accurate in the near future if a PVG route is forthcoming, but a lesson to be learned is nothing is official until official and should be treated as such.
I'm fully aware there is a lot of nonsense out there, so I chose who I take seriously carefully.
Hainan did plan an a/c at MAN, that changed though through the week as a spare a/c became a problem, that info from more than one reliable source, so the initial report was correct but in a fluid world things change...as they clearly did in this case.
The same source for the PVG route, but again he also called the PEK route with the right frequency, and days of operation, I can only think PVG will follow at some point, but not quite yet.
The news on investment from HNA Group is still there for all to see on Routes Online and other online articles, again this maybe in the pipeline, but not at a stage for it to be announced today. Who knows !!
So all in all the info that appeared through the week was fairly accurate, and may yet become even more accurate in the near future if a PVG route is forthcoming, but a lesson to be learned is nothing is official until official and should be treated as such.
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The natural progression from its USA routes seem to be Beijing first, and most of its USA flights started at 4 weekly too.
Shanghai then seems to follow a few months/up to a year later.
I do see however that the ever petty and pathetic Paul Kehoe from BHX has already started his whinging.
He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a £12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic. Notice that despite everything, Manchester bosses have never risen to his style of public whinging against BHX. When BHX got wizz, you didn't see Ken O'Toole say 'well, it's those deep pockets isn't it'.
Obviously Manchester is only at 23million pax and over 50 airlines purely through unfair subsidies and the likes!
Way to go on the 'gracious looser face', Paul. Had a chance to take he high road but once again takes the bitter lemon express.
Shanghai then seems to follow a few months/up to a year later.
I do see however that the ever petty and pathetic Paul Kehoe from BHX has already started his whinging.
He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a £12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic. Notice that despite everything, Manchester bosses have never risen to his style of public whinging against BHX. When BHX got wizz, you didn't see Ken O'Toole say 'well, it's those deep pockets isn't it'.
Obviously Manchester is only at 23million pax and over 50 airlines purely through unfair subsidies and the likes!
Way to go on the 'gracious looser face', Paul. Had a chance to take he high road but once again takes the bitter lemon express.
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eggc, thanks for responding. I perhaps should have added a rider to my comment that sources don't always prove accurate by acknowledging that plans can change. From what you say, this happened with regard to the Hainan aircraft.
I do see however that the ever petty and pathetic Paul Kehoe from BHX has already started his whinging.
He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a £12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic. Notice that despite everything, Manchester bosses have never risen to his style of public whinging.
He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a £12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic. Notice that despite everything, Manchester bosses have never risen to his style of public whinging.
I guess however that because of the blatant promotion of Manchester and "the North" by senior government ministers, especially the one who just happens to be a local MP - and holds the nation's purse strings - there is going to be a certain amount of sour grapes, not only from the Midlands, but also the Northeast and Southwest. Mr. Kehoe, for his sins, does appear to like sounding off in public.
The proof of the viability of PEK/MAN will rest in whether it lasts beyond the end of the "new customer discounts" that will undoubtedly have been given to Hainan as part of the deal - most airports these days seem to do deals, and nobody is going to tell me that Manchester is any different in that regard.
For what it's worth, I fully expect the route to thrive, and probably be operating at increased frequency, unless there is some tremendous, not to mention serious (for the UK economy's) political or economic change.
I hear rumours that Qatar are substituting a 787 on some of next week's flights.
Are the loads that bad?
Are the loads that bad?
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I'm not too bothered about the fact MAN still has some public ownership. It's important to remember though, in recent years, more money has foe 'the other way' in the form of dividends to the councils due to good performances at the airport.
What is irritating about Paul Kehoe, is his blatant petty whinging.
He does it against Heathrow (but to be fair so does half to UK so unfair to single him out on that), but, he almost has some unhealthy obsession with disparaging anything MAN does.
Is it jealousy? Was he turned down for a top job there? Who knows, but, like I say, his attacks are one way,, like I say, I have never heard the bosses at MAN attack BHX the way Paul attacks MAN, so, makes me wonder why he feels the need to air he rather unprofessional dirty laundry in public is beyond me.
If he has a general grievance with MAN, why doesn't he go about it in the right way? His Twitter rants and such will probably come back to bite him one day, so why doesn't he make an official complaint or something pigpen he firmly believes MAN is getting an unfair subsidy. The EU can get tough on state aid, so, if he believes he has a genuine case, why not go for it?...Oh right, they are unsubstantiated, petty and childish rants, that's why.
I'm not too bothered about the fact MAN still has some public ownership. It's important to remember though, in recent years, more money has foe 'the other way' in the form of dividends to the councils due to good performances at the airport.
What is irritating about Paul Kehoe, is his blatant petty whinging.
He does it against Heathrow (but to be fair so does half to UK so unfair to single him out on that), but, he almost has some unhealthy obsession with disparaging anything MAN does.
Is it jealousy? Was he turned down for a top job there? Who knows, but, like I say, his attacks are one way,, like I say, I have never heard the bosses at MAN attack BHX the way Paul attacks MAN, so, makes me wonder why he feels the need to air he rather unprofessional dirty laundry in public is beyond me.
If he has a general grievance with MAN, why doesn't he go about it in the right way? His Twitter rants and such will probably come back to bite him one day, so why doesn't he make an official complaint or something pigpen he firmly believes MAN is getting an unfair subsidy. The EU can get tough on state aid, so, if he believes he has a genuine case, why not go for it?...Oh right, they are unsubstantiated, petty and childish rants, that's why.
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I do see however that the ever petty and pathetic Paul Kehoe from BHX has already started his whinging.
He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a £12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic.
He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a £12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic.