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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 07:25
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I have no credentials just an ordinary Joe, I simply went to the website and its not there, but thanks for putting me straight.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 08:55
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Rubble,

It wasn't a slight on you, I just didn't know if you worked for Easyjet and had prior knowledge or something.

As said, I don't think any new routes across the network were announced at all yesterday.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 09:12
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The name's Ribble, Ribble56 ( In my best James Bond voice )
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 09:30
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Sorry ribble, damn iPad auto correct.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 11:00
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Just noticed that Manchester has a 'no diversions' NOTAM in place 1510220009 to 1510232300.

Probably wise for Mr Xi not to witness the carnage of unexpected diversions
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 13:05
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Hainan.

Why are the BBC maintaining the new service will be 3 x weekly when the Hainan web site shows 4 flights on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat? Or does the BBC or whoever briefed them know something that the airline doesn't?
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 13:40
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What happened to the Hainan aircraft that was supposedly visiting today and an announcement about MAN/PVG service? Seems to have gone very quiet on both aspects
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 14:11
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What happened to the Hainan aircraft that was supposedly visiting today and an announcement about MAN/PVG service?
Yes, Rampman proved correct in saying there was no Hainan aircraft coming. I'm sure the poster(s) who mentioned these did so in good faith, but unfortunately the sources of such stories, rumours and speculation don't always prove accurate. There was also talk of investment in MAG stock by the Hainan Group, although there may have been translation issues involved in that. There were even suggestions that the Chinese thought our TP too modest and wanted to upscale it to truly world class.

The bottom line is that we have gained a new direct service to PEK and the coverage has been good for the city's profile both here and in China, both of which are good news. Unfortunately, expectations were raised higher by stories that proved unfounded and for some therefore, there is perhaps a feeling of anti-climax. However, let's see what develops in the future.

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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 14:13
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They carried it in...

China?s President confirms 250 million Hainan Airlines link to Manchester :: Routesonline

A few comments to interpret differnet ways. Depends if you're from Manchester, Scotland or Birmingham.

Chen Feng, Chairman of the Board of Directors, HNA Group, the parent of Hainan Airlines has added to this speculation. ““Hainan Airlines looks forward to launching further routes between the UK and other metropolitan cities in China in the future,” he said.
as per link, credit routesonline
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 14:29
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Beta... I've got a strong feeling that it's for all the above really!!

There is a lot of Chinese investment into the UK, if you look at Manchester (Graphene etc...), Birmingham (JLR, Resorts World) and Scotland - it makes sense that this is possibly the start of increased links to the UK from China. I reckon there would be a massive business case for increased links.

I predict Manchester will get new routes to other cities in China too, but also Birmingham and Edinburgh won't be too far behind. As far as I'm aware, a decent bit of ground work has been done in BHX already.

Interesting times ahead for all UK airports.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 15:12
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Birmingham (JLR, Resorts World)
JLR is indian I think you have confused that with MG rover and resorts world is Malaysian but to be honest you can see Chinese investment and interests everywhere not just certain regions.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Betablockeruk View Post
They carried it in...

China?s President confirms 250 million Hainan Airlines link to Manchester :: Routesonline

A few comments to interpret differnet ways. Depends if you're from Manchester, Scotland or Birmingham.


as per link, credit routesonline
"There is also the possibility that the new Manchester link could be tagged with another destination, most likely Glasgow or Edinburgh as the aircraft has a six hour window on the ground."

Having looked at the schedule for BRU and PRG, it seems that these long ground times are the norm.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 15:29
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I'm holding out for a China Stansted route
The Chinese are to build a large power station in Essex at Bardwell
Only time will tell 😁
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 15:32
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I posted what was seen elsewhere, but not just from any Tom, Dick or Harry.

I'm fully aware there is a lot of nonsense out there, so I chose who I take seriously carefully.

Hainan did plan an a/c at MAN, that changed though through the week as a spare a/c became a problem, that info from more than one reliable source, so the initial report was correct but in a fluid world things change...as they clearly did in this case.

The same source for the PVG route, but again he also called the PEK route with the right frequency, and days of operation, I can only think PVG will follow at some point, but not quite yet.

The news on investment from HNA Group is still there for all to see on Routes Online and other online articles, again this maybe in the pipeline, but not at a stage for it to be announced today. Who knows !!

So all in all the info that appeared through the week was fairly accurate, and may yet become even more accurate in the near future if a PVG route is forthcoming, but a lesson to be learned is nothing is official until official and should be treated as such.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 15:37
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The natural progression from its USA routes seem to be Beijing first, and most of its USA flights started at 4 weekly too.

Shanghai then seems to follow a few months/up to a year later.

I do see however that the ever petty and pathetic Paul Kehoe from BHX has already started his whinging.

He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a 12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic. Notice that despite everything, Manchester bosses have never risen to his style of public whinging against BHX. When BHX got wizz, you didn't see Ken O'Toole say 'well, it's those deep pockets isn't it'.

Obviously Manchester is only at 23million pax and over 50 airlines purely through unfair subsidies and the likes!

Way to go on the 'gracious looser face', Paul. Had a chance to take he high road but once again takes the bitter lemon express.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 15:45
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eggc, thanks for responding. I perhaps should have added a rider to my comment that sources don't always prove accurate by acknowledging that plans can change. From what you say, this happened with regard to the Hainan aircraft.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 15:52
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I do see however that the ever petty and pathetic Paul Kehoe from BHX has already started his whinging.

He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a 12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic. Notice that despite everything, Manchester bosses have never risen to his style of public whinging.
Being the only major airport still in public hands (having got away somehow without being privatised in the same way the likes of BHX has) I suppose you could say that MAN leaves itself open to such (so far as I can see) unsubstantiated allegations.

I guess however that because of the blatant promotion of Manchester and "the North" by senior government ministers, especially the one who just happens to be a local MP - and holds the nation's purse strings - there is going to be a certain amount of sour grapes, not only from the Midlands, but also the Northeast and Southwest. Mr. Kehoe, for his sins, does appear to like sounding off in public.

The proof of the viability of PEK/MAN will rest in whether it lasts beyond the end of the "new customer discounts" that will undoubtedly have been given to Hainan as part of the deal - most airports these days seem to do deals, and nobody is going to tell me that Manchester is any different in that regard.

For what it's worth, I fully expect the route to thrive, and probably be operating at increased frequency, unless there is some tremendous, not to mention serious (for the UK economy's) political or economic change.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 16:42
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I hear rumours that Qatar are substituting a 787 on some of next week's flights.
Are the loads that bad?
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 16:45
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ATnotts,

I'm not too bothered about the fact MAN still has some public ownership. It's important to remember though, in recent years, more money has foe 'the other way' in the form of dividends to the councils due to good performances at the airport.

What is irritating about Paul Kehoe, is his blatant petty whinging.

He does it against Heathrow (but to be fair so does half to UK so unfair to single him out on that), but, he almost has some unhealthy obsession with disparaging anything MAN does.

Is it jealousy? Was he turned down for a top job there? Who knows, but, like I say, his attacks are one way,, like I say, I have never heard the bosses at MAN attack BHX the way Paul attacks MAN, so, makes me wonder why he feels the need to air he rather unprofessional dirty laundry in public is beyond me.

If he has a general grievance with MAN, why doesn't he go about it in the right way? His Twitter rants and such will probably come back to bite him one day, so why doesn't he make an official complaint or something pigpen he firmly believes MAN is getting an unfair subsidy. The EU can get tough on state aid, so, if he believes he has a genuine case, why not go for it?...Oh right, they are unsubstantiated, petty and childish rants, that's why.
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 16:47
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I do see however that the ever petty and pathetic Paul Kehoe from BHX has already started his whinging.

He has claimed several times in the past the Manchester 'prostitutes itself' and that it mainly gets routes due to 'deep pockets'. He has now claimed that Manchester only got the Beijing route due to a 12million subsidy. Completely unprofessional and as said, utterly petty and pathetic.
Have you got a link for this LAX?
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