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putting an SSJ into Southend a couple of months ago on a "familiarisation" pretty much gave the game away
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The fact that when Cityjet were in the frame there was talk of 18 routes and now the same number with Flybe is it not fair to assume that at this point Stobarts are talking about the same destinations?
I personally think this is all a bit knee jerk on there part and they are desparately trying to cobble something together so they don't lose face and at the same time try to increase passenger numbers at SEN
I personally think this is all a bit knee jerk on there part and they are desparately trying to cobble something together so they don't lose face and at the same time try to increase passenger numbers at SEN
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It's like a Carry On film.
Astonishingly pathetic inability to deliver. I give them one thing, at least they're consistent.
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Maybe better jets are on the way - maybe it's better this way as you get an airline which fits the market better.
Cityjet always seems like putting a square peg in a round hole ...
Cityjet always seems like putting a square peg in a round hole ...
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Can you explain what you mean. WX appear to be a fairly successful airline who've carved out a segment of the market and doing quite well.
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I'm questioning the commercial acumen and experience of Stobart and SEN management. If you look back at the track record performance it isn't great. I'm beginning to wonder if SEN is a pet vanity trophy in the Stobart portfolio with blind ignorance clouding ability and commercial sense.
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I'm questioning the commercial acumen and experience of Stobart and SEN management. If you look back at the track record performance it isn't great. I'm beginning to wonder if SEN is a pet vanity trophy in the Stobart portfolio with blind ignorance clouding ability and commercial sense.
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It's all a bit of a mess, isn't it.
Could WX operate the SSJs for Stobart under the flyBe brand? It seems complex, but if Stobart need jets in a hurry...
It does have the advantage for WX that their brand isn't "damaged" by an LCC type product. I doubt the whole deal fell apart over a G&T though.
Could WX operate the SSJs for Stobart under the flyBe brand? It seems complex, but if Stobart need jets in a hurry...
It does have the advantage for WX that their brand isn't "damaged" by an LCC type product. I doubt the whole deal fell apart over a G&T though.
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[QUOTE=Hawklord69;9600795]Judging on previous form i have my doubts as to whether there is a plan B
I'm unsure as to how you keep these negotiation and plans secret and piutting an SSJ into Southend a couple of months ago on a "familiarisation" pretty much gave the game away but would i be right in thinking that LCY could have put pressure / made incentives to Cityjet to pull out of this deal?
I'm nothing more than a keen observer / enthusiast but it looks to me like Stobarts have been backed into a corner with Flybe being the only viable option at present, i doubt they were in negotiations with them until the Cityjet deal went belly up and that appears to gone that way only in the last few days, surely Flybe are now in a position whereby Stobarts will have to bow down to them to get any sort of deal.
Cityjet didn't pull out of the deal, Stobarts did.
I'm unsure as to how you keep these negotiation and plans secret and piutting an SSJ into Southend a couple of months ago on a "familiarisation" pretty much gave the game away but would i be right in thinking that LCY could have put pressure / made incentives to Cityjet to pull out of this deal?
I'm nothing more than a keen observer / enthusiast but it looks to me like Stobarts have been backed into a corner with Flybe being the only viable option at present, i doubt they were in negotiations with them until the Cityjet deal went belly up and that appears to gone that way only in the last few days, surely Flybe are now in a position whereby Stobarts will have to bow down to them to get any sort of deal.
Cityjet didn't pull out of the deal, Stobarts did.
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There is a plan 'B' or option 'B'. Stobart have stated they plan to fly to 18 new destinations in the summer of 2017. Whether it's a good plan, workable or viable it does exist. 18 destinations - the same number as Cityjet were talking about. I suspect much of the preliminary work had already been done by Stobart and that Cityjet were going to take on the commitment to operate the routes. Obviously, Stobart didn't like what was on the table from Cityjet, or felt extending their Flybe franchise made more business sense to them (although they can't be entirely happy or they wouldn't have gone so deep with Cityjet).
I think judgement should be reserved until we see if the routes materialize. At times like this I always try to remember that without Stobart and their investment we would, in all probability, be contributing to a SEN historical thread talking about BAF, Dan Air and the Berlin Air Lift.
I think judgement should be reserved until we see if the routes materialize. At times like this I always try to remember that without Stobart and their investment we would, in all probability, be contributing to a SEN historical thread talking about BAF, Dan Air and the Berlin Air Lift.
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Lots of moans here about Stobart but we all need to remember that it was Stobart and only Stobart that had the vision to build Southend's new infrastructure including a new terminal, station, apron, tower and runway extension. Without Stobart where would Southend be today so it might be worth while cutting them some slack as we all wait and see what happens next.
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LTNman - I agree entirely that without Stobart, Southend would be in an even sorrier state than it is now. Give them a chance; they must have something that they think is worth going for or they wouldn't have pulled out of the Cityjet deal. Remember that in the past there have been calls for airport closure with industrial units or housing being built there. Had all the investment not taken place then that may have happened. Stobart may not be brilliant at airport/airline management but wait and see - we may all be surprised. Remember, without them SEN could well have bitten the dust by now.
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I do accept the possibility that there's a large shovelful of bs in saying they have a plan B, but I think it will become clear in the next few weeks whether there is a reasonably advanced plan in place or not. I also wonder whether Flybe would be happy if one of their franchisees was making bold statements about routes to be flown in their name that were unlikely to come to fruition.
Last edited by DC3 Dave; 7th Dec 2016 at 13:26.