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Quite a simple answer to this one. All UK tour operators class these as Winter destinations, Ezy are following the crowd, it would be unlikely they would sell enough seats to make the routes viable out of the accepted season.
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I believe the main reason is to do with the A320. It has a much better performance in the cooler winter weather than warmer summer weather, hence why the two longest routes are served during the winter season only. I'm sure they would serve them year round if they could, but the runway restricts it.
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Sorry TWS , I'm going to disagree with you on that one. If that were the case why do TCX and TUI cut back so heavily as soon as April arrives? Operating restrictions do not affect them.
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The point i'm trying to make is that the maximum take-off distance for the EZY A320 increases in the summer months, making long sector destinations (such as ACE & TFS) inaccessible. The Warmer weather reduces air density meaning take-off distance increases, subsequently this is an issue for SEN's relatively short runway.
I suspect you're right and demand does dip for those destinations during summer, but even if there was demand EZY couldn't operate those routes anyway.
I suspect you're right and demand does dip for those destinations during summer, but even if there was demand EZY couldn't operate those routes anyway.
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I accept that the A320 would be restricted during periods of high temperatures from SEN, but times are changing rapidly due to the more limited choice of sun destinations. From Luxembourg we operate to the 4 Canaries and Madeira all the year round, and holidaymakers who used to go to Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia are now looking for "safer" destinations. Of course the islands only have so many beds available on the market, but I can see that some other Spanish and Italian destinations will become more popular, plus Malta and south Cyprus. I assume Easyjet and Stobarts are putting their heads together over the crystal ball to see if I am correct.
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A good point. Although I guess nowhere is totally safe these days the terror attacks in north Africa and Turkey and the bad publicity on Greece arising from the migrant crisis will surely affect next summer's pattern of tourists destinations. Why EZY, or someone, doesn't fly to Malta bemuses me - it was always such a popular destination from SEN.
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Don't get me started on Malta, another contributor on this site knows full well I gave a hint to a now ex decision making employee at SEN on getting a more recognised carrier on board for that particular route and how to make money from it, pointless so gave up!
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Going back to the Canaries, I think tws123 has got the upper hand on this one. EZY A320's would struggle to get to ACE and TFS in the summer from SEN's runway as aircraft performance reduces when it's hotter.
There's been times in previous summers on particularly hot days where even A319's to FAO or AGP have had to make unscheduled stops in France to pick up more fuel.
As for TCX and TOM doing more flights to the Canaries in winter, is that not more a case that they've got nowhere else to go? As I'm sure you'll know, the likes of mainland Spain, the Balearics, Greece, plus Turkey and Cyprus to a lesser extent, are too cold/wet to be viable winter destinations. But that discussion is probably for another thread.
Going back to the Canaries, I think tws123 has got the upper hand on this one. EZY A320's would struggle to get to ACE and TFS in the summer from SEN's runway as aircraft performance reduces when it's hotter.
There's been times in previous summers on particularly hot days where even A319's to FAO or AGP have had to make unscheduled stops in France to pick up more fuel.
As for TCX and TOM doing more flights to the Canaries in winter, is that not more a case that they've got nowhere else to go? As I'm sure you'll know, the likes of mainland Spain, the Balearics, Greece, plus Turkey and Cyprus to a lesser extent, are too cold/wet to be viable winter destinations. But that discussion is probably for another thread.
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Can't really comment, my nine years in the industry dealing with route planning and yield management must have passed me by. Gonna shut up now, monthly input over!
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With Tenerife and Lanzarote now established and doing well, how about Gran Canaria for next Winter?
That should keep the A320 almost fully utilised and could increase the passenger numbers on the very flat days accordingly.
That should keep the A320 almost fully utilised and could increase the passenger numbers on the very flat days accordingly.
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Just remember Stobart have said they will have a materialize happen during 2017.EZY must have discuss with Stobart about theirs planning when A320 NEO is delivery to EZY SO THEY ARE ASKING them BE PATIENCE. That the reason they are keeping quite at the moment
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Now that you have changed your words in an edit, it makes a bit more sense what you was writing about. So I ask a different question. When did Stobarts say things in 2017 would materialize? I hope you are right.
Now that you have changed your words in an edit, it makes a bit more sense what you was writing about. So I ask a different question. When did Stobarts say things in 2017 would materialize? I hope you are right.
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tayair6 - Do you think the EZY NEOs were ordered just for Southend's short runway??? Get real, they will be rolled out on trunk routes to make them even more profitable. You will only see them when capacity at their 3 other London bases makes slots unattainable anywhere else. EZY have made commitments all the place but it does not mean they will always follow through. It's all about getting the best deal out of the airport.
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The performance of the EZY NEO will give easyjet more flexibility out of SEN which might be a reason in itself for operating them sooner rather than later but only time will tell.