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Old 15th Sep 2016, 08:20
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The Vueling flight from Barcelona went around about 50 minutes ago and is still holding east of the airport. Everything else is landing so not sure what is going on with that flight.
A tad foggy at Luton this morning. Maybe their was a reason why the aircraft could not do a Cat3a landing but it has landed just now.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
A tad foggy at Luton this morning. Maybe their was a reason why the aircraft could not do a Cat3a landing but it has landed just now.
Thanks LTNman, thought it may have been something like that.
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To be honest LTNs ambitions are seriously limited by the length of runway when it comes to long haul.
They probably see the likes of Silverjet and LaCompagnie as the only feasible options of getting scheduled links to the likes of the US, Dubai etc.
If an American full service Airline was interested in LTN I am sure an Airbridge would be an incentive but as most have said other than that or EL AL why would the Airport invest.
Guess the question is did EL AL even use an Airbridge at STN when they were there?
LTN is simply a low cost Airport.
Don't suppose the recent boundary changes being made by the Government will have any effect on the Airport?
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Monarch S17 flights to Stockholm and Porto now bookable.
Also FR@STN stated earlier that Rome and Lanzarote will continue next summer and they are now loaded as well!
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I do not think El Al would pay for an air bridge unless they had to for obvious reasons my boy!
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To be honest LTNs ambitions are seriously limited by the length of runway when it comes to long haul
I doubt the airport would ever get its money back if they extended the runway. With the land dropping away at the 26 end and on a cliff face at the 08 end the cost in shoveling earth would be huge and that is assuming they had the earth to shovel which they don't.

Don't suppose the recent boundary changes being made by the Government will have any effect on the Airport?
I think the boundary changes are just for elections.
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Old 15th Sep 2016, 15:59
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Bbc Look East

Tonight 6.30
https://mobile.twitter.com/LDNLutonA...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Germanwings/Eurowings, Thomson, Thomas cook, Pegasus, cobalt, Titan (depending on the charter), all use the air bridges
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BBC Look East

The easyjet spokesmen said they were very excited about Luton while the airport spokesmen said the worst was now over. This would be because the summer season is coming to an end rather than due to completed work at the airport.
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Every time I saw an El Al at STN they used an airbridge as do Eurowings, Thomas Cook, Thomson, Titan and several others excluding Easyjet and Ryanair although I have seen Easyjet aircraft using an airbridge in the past at STN.

UK Airports with Airbridges

LHR
LGW
STN
BHX
CWL
MAN
LBA
NCL
EDI
GLA
BFS
BHD

With LTN projected to have an annual capacity of 18 million you would thought at least one token airbridge could have been accommodated, it just cheapens the airport even more in my opinion and the whole redevelopment looks cheap as well, not state of the art or anything special whatsoever, sure it's an improvement on what was there before but that's about it.
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Old 15th Sep 2016, 21:30
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I totally appreciate and understand your comments but surely one airbridge at least could have been accommodated and I am sure EL AL would use it IF one was installed, even some European airports that also heavily rely on LoCo airlines and have far few passengers than LTN have at least one airbridge including the likes of BGY, SXF although the latter does have more full service airlines than LTN.

In my view having an airbridge at an airport means 'were grown up and up their with the big boys', well that's my opinion.

I work in the cruise industry and even cruise lines expect airbridges now, even at The Port of Southampton where I am based we have four cruise passenger terminals with airbridges one of which has two so why not one at LTN!
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IT was the main pier I had in mind when commenting on airbridges or as I mentioned before at least a token one, build it and they will come as the phrase goes.
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Why couldn't they have the option to offer the facility, Cork for example has capability for 4 and up until a few months ago just 1 was in use, now 2.

Plently airlines use bridge at front and steps at back to speed up turnarounds.
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In my view having an airbridge at an airport means 'were grown up and up their with the big boys', well that's my opinion.
I actually share canberra97 views on this subject. I even his share his views on the location of any would be airbridges and could see a couple going in on the northern side of the main pier. Why the northern side?

The infill of pier A means the pier is getting 2 and a half pre-boarding areas for the eastern apron but not enough to cover each stand unless they are divided in two but crucially at apron level so would be no good for airbridge boarding. The northern side seems to have more stand area depth to accommodate airbridges, is only going to gain a single new staircase and is not getting pre-boarding areas at apron level.

Eastern


Northern


The eastern apron has now been expanded to create 2 extra stands with Pier A and soon to be built Pier B having 4 stands each.

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Couldn't agree more with the above comments on air bridges...

Even Bristol which is primarily a LCC airport, with easyJet and Ryanair having large bases at the airport, is currently installing air-bridges and a preboarding zone for six gates. They make it clear in the marketing material this will accommodate the latest generation twin engined wide-bodied aircraft.

If only LTN had a little aspiration like BRS!

On the other hand though, if you fly through Birmingham the old Eurohub building seems to have half of its airbridges all sitting unused, with only FlyBE's Embraer 175/195's using them. I remember boarding a flight a year or two ago, and you walk down the airbridge to be greeted by some steps at the end , to only walk down to the apron, to board the flight via steps. So maybe I am now contracting myself, and this is the reason why the airport has no interest in air-bridges.

Anyway back to my grumbling, to me this expansion at Luton is like, what is the minimum we need to do and spend to expand the airport to 18 million? This £110 million figure is driving me crazy and how it keeps getting banded about in their press coverage.

This figure is a drop in the ocean, compared to the investments made by other airports, to upgrade their facilities. With all the recent cutbacks we have seen in the recent drawings, compared to the ones used 12-18 months ago, it is questionable if this £110 million is now the true figure being invested?

Even though the airport markets the expansion to handle 18 million, I would be incredibly surprised, any future expansion would not commence until the airport is at the 20 million mark.

I am sure I am not going loopy here, but I am sure the current facilities before the expansion commenced, were only designed to handle 10 million. But miraculously the airport then said the current facilities were designed to handle around 12 million.
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Old 16th Sep 2016, 15:18
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http://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/C...alysis_PDF.pdf
Some very interest numbers here. Looking good for the airport
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Terminal 1988.

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As an example, Barcelona has increased from June 2015 to 2016 by 250%!
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Old 16th Sep 2016, 17:01
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Luton had posted a link on their twitter of the new 360 tour of the artist impressions of the complete airport.

https://roundme.com/tour/77047/view/193007/
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I am sure I am not going loopy here, but I am sure the current facilities before the expansion commenced, were only designed to handle 10 million. But miraculously the airport then said the current facilities were designed to handle around 12 million.
Think again gilesdavies. I just happen to have a copy of the development brief dated February 2000 which is 234 pages long. In there it states the new 1999 terminal has a capacity of 5 million passengers but this could grow to 10 million passengers if this was carried out.



It is questionable if this £110 million is now the true figure being invested?
The original figure quoted was £100 million but that increased to £110 million but what is the cost per passenger over the lifetime of the franchise? I think the franchise got extended so there is around 22 years left but lets call it 20 years.

5 million passengers per year capacity increase x 20 years=
100,000,000 extra passengers divided by £110,000,000.

Cost per passenger before interest payments = 90p assuming they reach the new capacity quite quickly.
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