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Old 19th Apr 2016, 22:57
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What some of you have failed to realise is that TOM have (just) set up long-haul shop at STN with their 787 to the two destinations some of you are suggesting they operate from LTN.

It's not going to happen IMHO.
Put your toys back in the pram!

I was not for one minute suggesting that, and fully aware STN is operating long haul routes for Thomson this year.

It was purely an article I noticed and thought I would post, on the back of people had previously mentioned Luton will need to look at expanding its runway, if it is was to attract long haul routes in the furture.

I was pointing out how Bristol has a shorter runway and how the 787 will be flying direct from there to Mexico and Florida, so in the future with the current facilities in place, long haul wide bodied operations are possible from LTN!

The likes of TOM and MON should have grown with LTN being it's base at LTN!

Once the 18 million mark is achieved we all need to look at the airports true potential because I for one believe LTN has more room for growth and that includes long haul operations!

Even within the boundary a 8000 feet runway is feasible and beyond the perimeter a 9 to 10 thousand feet runway is achievable!
Its a fact we need to face up to, LGW is their airport of choice for London and the same for easyJet, and LTN will always play second fiddle to all three airlines. Im not sure about TOM and MON, but easyJet have always made in clear, LGW is their most profitable base and hence the reason why they prefer to expand at a greater rate there.

You are probably right, the airport will need to expand to the south of runway in the years to come. You however, have one major issue, you are then encroaching into the borders of Hertfordshire, where the county and district councils (plus the NIMBYs) are vehemently against any expansion and will almost be guaranteed to reject any planning permission, as it will be in their hands to approve.

That then means it will probably be passed to the government to approve and could mean public enquiries and court cases, which could last years.
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 04:57
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What some of you have failed to realise is that TOM have (just) set up long-haul shop at STN with their 787 to the two destinations some of you are suggesting they operate from LTN.

It's not going to happen IMHO.
Who is to say what will happen in the years to come. You might well have made the same comment about El-Al yet they switched airports.

Why some people can not comprehend Luton extending it's runway is beyond me. In turn the east side of the airfield has enough area to build 3 multi story car parks accommodating more long term parking than available today and having apron space for a further 20 -28 aircraft stands!
I am assuming all this would happen within the airports existing boundary? If another 28 stands were added then another terminal of a similar size to what Luton has got now would be needed. Where would you put that?

The airport does intend to build another multistory car park by Parkway on land it has bought and then ship passengers to the terminal using the light rail.

You are probably right, the airport will need to expand to the south of runway in the years to come. You however, have one major issue, you are then encroaching into the borders of Hertfordshire,
The border does not follow the airfield. Using the ringed south stands as a reference there is alot of land south of the runway that is part of Luton although there is a missing strip for a southern parallel taxiway.

As we are now seeing if Luton intend to build a light railway to the terminal then anything is now possible.


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Old 20th Apr 2016, 05:41
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One off charter flights

Noticed a number of charter flights due to be operated over the next few weeks regarding the Euro 2016 soccer tournament plus F1 and Le Mans. Have not got details of the airlines though.
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 08:53
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Wizz's evening OTP-LTN flight (daily A-321) will be replaced with an OTP-LGW from 18JUN.
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 09:54
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Seems reasonable, as Blue Air also serve the route into LTN, and there is no direct service from LGW.
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 11:01
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When Monarch operated A330s to Florida around 2001 they were in a high density 374 seat configuration, but for the last decade they were in a lower configuration and thus their possible max useable range would be greater. (Also newer A330s had the potential to increase their range due to increased MTOWs although this is of no benefit at Luton due to the restricted runway length.)
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 11:11
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I appreciate it is only one daily flight, but the move of the evening OTP to LGW is significant in that it is the first crack to appear at fortress LTN. Previous Wizz outings at LGW and STN have been additional to LTN, not directly at the expense of LTN.

Is this the start of something bigger at LGW?
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 11:47
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I wouldn't read too much in to it.
In fact I think it is a good move by Wizz and it gives them coverage further south of London.
They have already moved in to BHX and I guess they will look to offer more destinations at LGW if slots are available at the right times.
It's not as if they are consolidating at LTN because they are still launching new flights.
Couple that with what Powerjet1 has said I think it makes sense.
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 14:57
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Looks like Blue Air are winning the battle for passengers on the Bucharest route, or are offering fares way below what Wizz are prepared to offer?
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 16:08
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It will be interesting to see how the Bucharest flight gets on at Gatwick. Easy tried it recently but they couldn't make a go of it. I am sure the vacant evening slot at Luton will be used for an additional flight from an existing destination or a brand new service.
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 16:52
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Looks like Blue Air are winning the battle for passengers on the Bucharest route
?? OTP-LTN will still be served double daily by Wizz (besides LGW and BHX).
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 17:06
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No reductions seems to be taken place in August. We still see 26 weekly at LTN.
https://wizzair.com/en-GB/TimeTable
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 18:16
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Grrr

Don't forget that a huge number of slots will become available once London's new runway is rightly built there. As an existing airline operating from Gatwick, no doubt they will be able to acquire many additional slots then if required?
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 19:21
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Wizzair Bucharest

Wizz's evening OTP-LTN flight (daily A-321) will be replaced with an OTP-LGW from 18JUN.
Looks like an extra flight, different flight number, still 4x on some days to LTN
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 15:35
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Not any more.
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 16:13
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Not any more.
Nope it's gone down to 24 weekly
Massive lost to the airport NOT
Remember a321 offer 50 more seats than the 320 so that will easily make up the 2 flights lost
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 17:36
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W6 3005/3006 is completely moved to LGW every day which is -7 weekly flights to LTN (and -460 seats daily as it was a 321 flight to LTN as well).
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 17:55
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Steel girders are currently going in to place to form the parking levels of the Multi-Storey car park. Progress is going quite well with the multi story car park.
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 17:55
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Perhaps Wizz may consider adding routes from Gatwick to Warsaw and Budapest as well ?
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 20:22
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March 2016

Not sure whether these figures have been posted here yet:

ATMovements month 7687 + 27%
ATMs rolling year 91,675 + 18.5%

Passengers month 1,044,857 + 24.5%
Pax rolling year 12,821,981 + 19.1%

The month figures are better than rolling year due to Easter falling earlier this year.

It will be interesting to see April's figures....
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