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Air bidges
I agree air bridges will help
So what is £200 million going to buy them when the airport will reach 18 million passengers without it? Hidden agenda's comes to mind
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If you consider the Dunstable to Luton Busway cost £90m and was basically revamping the old railway line, then £200m does not seem extravagant.
Just remember that the area around the Parkway has been designated an Enterprise Zone and will become a major employment area within the borough.
Just remember that the area around the Parkway has been designated an Enterprise Zone and will become a major employment area within the borough.
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Article says "The new aircraft, he added, may also be used in the launch of new routes to the US West Coast, South America and even Asia" How would this be possible with the aircraft being discussed?
If you take the same aircraft and only put 70-80 seats on it, the range will then be crazy!
For example, both the Boeing BBJ is basically a 737-700 and the Airbus ACJ319 is an A319, with additional fuel tanks and these have a range of over 6000nm. If you then consider the 737MAX and A320neo, is going to be even more economical, with the new engines and design improvements, a 70-80 seater version will have no issues.
For both the above aircraft at MTOW, they only require a runway of around 5500-6000ft.
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Shouldn't be an issue at all, for example the A321neo LR is planned to have a range of 4000nm with a payload of 200+ passengers, with it specifically aimed at routes like Europe to the eastern seaboard of the USA.
If you take the same aircraft and only put 70-80 seats on it, the range will then be crazy!
For example, both the Boeing BBJ is basically a 737-700 and the Airbus ACJ319 is an A319, with additional fuel tanks and these have a range of over 6000nm. If you then consider the 737MAX and A320neo, is going to be even more economical, with the new engines and design improvements, a 70-80 seater version will have no issues.
For both the above aircraft at MTOW, they only require a runway of around 5500-6000ft.
If you take the same aircraft and only put 70-80 seats on it, the range will then be crazy!
For example, both the Boeing BBJ is basically a 737-700 and the Airbus ACJ319 is an A319, with additional fuel tanks and these have a range of over 6000nm. If you then consider the 737MAX and A320neo, is going to be even more economical, with the new engines and design improvements, a 70-80 seater version will have no issues.
For both the above aircraft at MTOW, they only require a runway of around 5500-6000ft.
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EasyJet eyes shock swoop on Monarch | The Sunday Times
Plus further airline speculation on the Monarch thread.
So what are the implications for Luton with Monarch headquartered at Luton?
The danger for the staff is that their large head office could be closed down if their are merged. They also have a large apprenticeship school at the airport that has been turning out engineers for years plus of course the hangars they still operate from.
Plus further airline speculation on the Monarch thread.
So what are the implications for Luton with Monarch headquartered at Luton?
The danger for the staff is that their large head office could be closed down if their are merged. They also have a large apprenticeship school at the airport that has been turning out engineers for years plus of course the hangars they still operate from.
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All press speculation about Monarch, nothing more. Investors appointed a bank to look at options. As I have said previously, the Gatwick slots that they hold are valuable assets. Come to think of it, at 32 movements an hour at Luton, their home base slots may also have value?
Venture capitalist are renowned for 'slash and burn' as happened to the staff working directly for the airport at the turn of the millennium. Barclays investment arm wielded the axe on staffing and T's & C's.
Venture capitalist are renowned for 'slash and burn' as happened to the staff working directly for the airport at the turn of the millennium. Barclays investment arm wielded the axe on staffing and T's & C's.
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Yes I thought of that but although it is a big building is it big enough for Easyjet even though the building is T shaped so is deeper than first appears? Also that would mean big job cuts if both staff shared one building.
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I flew out of Luton on Thursday, just missing the new walk-through duty free. I did take this picture from the departure lounge of the foundation work starting to widen Pier A.
Several shops has closed inside the departure lounge for internal works (including the bagel store and the donut stand). Dixons had also closed and they had a smaller selection of items for sale on pop-up stands in front of their old shop.
I arrived back late Sunday night and Border Control was a disaster. I waited 28 minutes to get through, since for most of that time there were only 2 officers checking EU passports. I asked the officer if they were short staffed and she shrugged and said they were always short staffed. I know this isn't in the direct control of the airport, but they must put pressure on the border agency to ensure adequate staff as passenger numbers increase.
Whilst taxiing to stand I also noticed how much space there is in front of Signature's new FBO. There was a private airbus (A318 I think) parked nose in right in front of it. There is also plenty of apron space to the North West side of the building.
Several shops has closed inside the departure lounge for internal works (including the bagel store and the donut stand). Dixons had also closed and they had a smaller selection of items for sale on pop-up stands in front of their old shop.
I arrived back late Sunday night and Border Control was a disaster. I waited 28 minutes to get through, since for most of that time there were only 2 officers checking EU passports. I asked the officer if they were short staffed and she shrugged and said they were always short staffed. I know this isn't in the direct control of the airport, but they must put pressure on the border agency to ensure adequate staff as passenger numbers increase.
Whilst taxiing to stand I also noticed how much space there is in front of Signature's new FBO. There was a private airbus (A318 I think) parked nose in right in front of it. There is also plenty of apron space to the North West side of the building.
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Good photo, basically what is happening to the pier is that all the recesses both at ground and first floor level are being taken out so it will end up almost but not quite smooth. I believe the gained space at apron level will be used for two pre-boarding zones which might be a reason why their are no plans for air bridges. The plans for the first floor just shows 3 infills so might just be seating areas.
The old duty free shop will be split into retail units with a corridor passing through the middle to serve the new pier. The terminal was built with a corridor passing behind the shops which is going to be abandoned and turned into seating area's for food outlets. This should give a good view of the eastern apron through the existing windows that next to no passengers have ever seen unless they were special assistance passengers
As for Border Force at the airport, people jumping out of lorries at Toddington Service area have no such issues with queues.
The old duty free shop will be split into retail units with a corridor passing through the middle to serve the new pier. The terminal was built with a corridor passing behind the shops which is going to be abandoned and turned into seating area's for food outlets. This should give a good view of the eastern apron through the existing windows that next to no passengers have ever seen unless they were special assistance passengers
As for Border Force at the airport, people jumping out of lorries at Toddington Service area have no such issues with queues.
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I just hope the plans include working passenger lifts! One of the biggest gripes I hear is from passengers with babies/toddlers in buggies that have to be carried down 6 flights of stairs from gates 20/22/24; 4 flights of stairs from gates 21/23/25. Plus of course those with walking difficulties who can manage a level walk (i.e. via an air bridge) but arrive at the gate unaware of the stairs involved, so they haven't booked any assistance with CCS.
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While the below link has absolutely diddly squat to do with LTN, I think this can firmly put to bed the query that regularly comes up, which is that Luton will need a runway extension in the years to come, if it wants to attract long haul carriers...
Thomson first Dreamliner flights from Bristol on sale this month
Bristol's runway is over a 1000ft shorter than Luton's, if they can operate a Thomson's 787 direct to Florida and Mexico, it should definitely be more than capable of flying similar length routes from the airport.
As many have however said, the demand is questionable, but with LHR and LGW brimming full, the chances are slightly there, at some point in the future.
Thomson first Dreamliner flights from Bristol on sale this month
Bristol's runway is over a 1000ft shorter than Luton's, if they can operate a Thomson's 787 direct to Florida and Mexico, it should definitely be more than capable of flying similar length routes from the airport.
As many have however said, the demand is questionable, but with LHR and LGW brimming full, the chances are slightly there, at some point in the future.
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I just hope the plans include working passenger lifts! One of the biggest gripes I hear is from passengers with babies/toddlers in buggies that have to be carried down 6 flights of stairs from gates 20/22/24; 4 flights of stairs from gates 21/23/25. Plus of course those with walking difficulties who can manage a level walk (i.e. via an air bridge) but arrive at the gate unaware of the stairs involved, so they haven't booked any assistance with CCS.
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TOM Long-haul
What some of you have failed to realise is that TOM have (just) set up long-haul shop at STN with their 787 to the two destinations some of you are suggesting they operate from LTN.
It's not going to happen IMHO.
It's not going to happen IMHO.
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Back in 1995...
There was talk of a new airline called EasyJet failing!
But in fact it became years later the UK's busiest airline!
Why some people can not comprehend Luton extending it's runway is beyond me. In turn the east side of the airfield has enough area to build 3 multi story car parks accommodating more long term parking than available today and having apron space for a further 20 -28 aircraft stands!
The likes of TOM and MON should have grown with LTN being it's base at LTN!
Once the 18 million mark is achieved we all need to look at the airports true potential because I for one believe LTN has more room for growth and that includes long haul operations!
Even within the boundary a 8000 feet runway is feasible and beyond the perimeter a 9 to 10 thousand feet runway is achievable!
At nine thousand feet long, the runway could easily command long haul routes / traffic.
LHR and LGW are almost full! But LTN has yet to reach it's potential ...
But in fact it became years later the UK's busiest airline!
Why some people can not comprehend Luton extending it's runway is beyond me. In turn the east side of the airfield has enough area to build 3 multi story car parks accommodating more long term parking than available today and having apron space for a further 20 -28 aircraft stands!
The likes of TOM and MON should have grown with LTN being it's base at LTN!
Once the 18 million mark is achieved we all need to look at the airports true potential because I for one believe LTN has more room for growth and that includes long haul operations!
Even within the boundary a 8000 feet runway is feasible and beyond the perimeter a 9 to 10 thousand feet runway is achievable!
At nine thousand feet long, the runway could easily command long haul routes / traffic.
LHR and LGW are almost full! But LTN has yet to reach it's potential ...