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Statistically Luton handles more passengers during December than Edinburgh therefore like several years ago, Edinburgh's current 5th position might only be temporary.
In relation to departures from the intersection area's on the runway, I have seen A300's doing the same. Going back to several years ago, I and others have seen aircraft climbing just short of reaching the turning circle at 08 end!
In relation to departures from the intersection area's on the runway, I have seen A300's doing the same. Going back to several years ago, I and others have seen aircraft climbing just short of reaching the turning circle at 08 end!
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Quote '...I and others have seen aircraft climbing just short of reaching the turning circle at 08 end!'
And I and others have seen 26 departures climbing just after reaching the 08 tc....
And I and others have seen 26 departures climbing just after reaching the 08 tc....
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And at the opposite end of the scale, I saw an AMC 737-200 blasting off to Egypt one summers day about 15 years ago who taxied past the 08 turning circle and trundled down the hill on the undershoot before turning round and facing uphill to start his take off.
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Still no decision regarding the LTN planning application to increase pax numbers by 50% - the councillors are still deliberating as we speak. Look East report however that any decision in favour would still evoke an inevitable escalation to Eric Pickles.
This is a fair medium; a compromise. The airport has made all the correct noises - being a good neighbour; building sustainably and sensibly unlike the cancelled plans from mid-2000s.
Luton is one of the best located airports in the country; potentially it could've been a front runner for a Heathrow replacement, however they've shown no appetite to do this. It wouldn't work without serious financial investment and potentially would change the face of the whole town.
That said, after this expansion gets approved, what happens when the airport is full again? Does it stagnate forever? Are there any potential options to expand even further?
This is a fair medium; a compromise. The airport has made all the correct noises - being a good neighbour; building sustainably and sensibly unlike the cancelled plans from mid-2000s.
Luton is one of the best located airports in the country; potentially it could've been a front runner for a Heathrow replacement, however they've shown no appetite to do this. It wouldn't work without serious financial investment and potentially would change the face of the whole town.
That said, after this expansion gets approved, what happens when the airport is full again? Does it stagnate forever? Are there any potential options to expand even further?
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BREAKING: Luton Airport expansion plan gets the go ahead | Local News in Luton, Dunstable and Bedfordshire
RECOMMENDATIONS to expand Luton Airport have been supported by Luton council.
The Department for Communities and Local Government will now consider whether the application should be determined by the Secretary of State or whether the council can proceed to issue the consent for works to begin.
Construction will take place over three phases and will expand, modernise and remodel the terminal building to accommodate and equip up to 20 security passenger screening lanes and 15 immigration passenger screening lanes as well as building a new parallel taxiway to unlock capacity for an additional 6 million passengers a year from the existing runway.
The decision came after an intense 10 hour meeting, during which more than 30 representations against the proposals were heard.
Residents from Luton, as well as surrounding towns and villages expressed serious fears about increased levels of noise and a rise in the number of night flights.
However the meeting concluded with all councillors on the Development Control committee supporting the recommendations for airport expansion, with many branding it ‘the most difficult decision they have had to make’.
Commenting on the announcement, Glyn Jones, Managing Director of the Airport said: “We have committed to developing an Airport which everyone in the local area will be proud of, and passengers from all over the world will enjoy visiting. In the year of our 75th Anniversary this is an exciting milestone for all of us at the airport, the local area, and the millions of passengers who use us for business travel, to visit friends and family or to get away on holiday.”
Gavin Shuker, MP for Luton South also welcomed the news, adding: “This is a great day for the town, and a much needed boost for our local economy.
London Luton has returned over £210m in concession payments to the council since 1998, and it is good news for local taxpayers that these are set to increase between now and 2031 as the airport develops.”
The decision means that the passenger capacity of the airport can increase from 12 million to 18 million a year.
Luton Borough Council received 455 objections and 43 representations in support of the application, which involves construction of a multi-storey car park, road layout changes and taxiway extensions.
RECOMMENDATIONS to expand Luton Airport have been supported by Luton council.
The Department for Communities and Local Government will now consider whether the application should be determined by the Secretary of State or whether the council can proceed to issue the consent for works to begin.
Construction will take place over three phases and will expand, modernise and remodel the terminal building to accommodate and equip up to 20 security passenger screening lanes and 15 immigration passenger screening lanes as well as building a new parallel taxiway to unlock capacity for an additional 6 million passengers a year from the existing runway.
The decision came after an intense 10 hour meeting, during which more than 30 representations against the proposals were heard.
Residents from Luton, as well as surrounding towns and villages expressed serious fears about increased levels of noise and a rise in the number of night flights.
However the meeting concluded with all councillors on the Development Control committee supporting the recommendations for airport expansion, with many branding it ‘the most difficult decision they have had to make’.
Commenting on the announcement, Glyn Jones, Managing Director of the Airport said: “We have committed to developing an Airport which everyone in the local area will be proud of, and passengers from all over the world will enjoy visiting. In the year of our 75th Anniversary this is an exciting milestone for all of us at the airport, the local area, and the millions of passengers who use us for business travel, to visit friends and family or to get away on holiday.”
Gavin Shuker, MP for Luton South also welcomed the news, adding: “This is a great day for the town, and a much needed boost for our local economy.
London Luton has returned over £210m in concession payments to the council since 1998, and it is good news for local taxpayers that these are set to increase between now and 2031 as the airport develops.”
The decision means that the passenger capacity of the airport can increase from 12 million to 18 million a year.
Luton Borough Council received 455 objections and 43 representations in support of the application, which involves construction of a multi-storey car park, road layout changes and taxiway extensions.
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Good news that Council approval has been given for Luton's expansion plans.
The airport has done well to grow within the airport's current constraints & these improvements are much needed to improve the passenger proposition & facilitate further growth.
The airport has done well to grow within the airport's current constraints & these improvements are much needed to improve the passenger proposition & facilitate further growth.
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maybe plough it into making the town centre better, bit dreary at the moment!
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The town center redevelopment is already underway, Just takes them a long ass time to do anything here. All the "blue fenced" area is first on the list, The old Vauxhall site will probably start getting built on by the end of 2014. It is a lot less to do with "Nobody wanting to build" and more to do with ridiculous rules and paperwork which makes everything move at snails pace. There is a group on facebook that I forget the name of but it has links to every proposed and current building project underway in Luton, It is quite extensive.
As for the council .. Jobs, Regeneration? Sure thing but lets take our time zzzzz.. lets have meetings and more meetings zzzzz to make it look like we are doing something zzzzzzz. The same everywhere I would guess.
As for the council .. Jobs, Regeneration? Sure thing but lets take our time zzzzz.. lets have meetings and more meetings zzzzz to make it look like we are doing something zzzzzzz. The same everywhere I would guess.
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If I am not mistaken from what I read they had to wait a good few years before they were allowed to develop the land. They were ready years ago but "rules are rules".
I see the crazy wind hasnt caused much disruption so far today at LTN...
Here is a shot in the dark, Does anyone think Cityjet might replace Flybe from LTN. They seem to have taken up 2 of the cardiff routes dropped by flybe, Plan to open a Cardiff-Jersey route and they have new owners who will have different plans for the airline. Just a random thought, No evidence they will.
I see the crazy wind hasnt caused much disruption so far today at LTN...
Here is a shot in the dark, Does anyone think Cityjet might replace Flybe from LTN. They seem to have taken up 2 of the cardiff routes dropped by flybe, Plan to open a Cardiff-Jersey route and they have new owners who will have different plans for the airline. Just a random thought, No evidence they will.
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Nice idea. Maybe it would be good for them not to focus just on their LCY hub & to diversify a bit as they seem to be doing at CWL. A small operation from LTN would offer something different from their LCY operation and there are plenty of potential routes they could look at not least the ex Flybe JER & IOM routes which could suit a F50.
If not Cityjet, lets hope someone can be persuaded to step in & pick up these routes from LTN before next summer.
If not Cityjet, lets hope someone can be persuaded to step in & pick up these routes from LTN before next summer.
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Whatever else happens at the airport, they really need to sort out taxiway A and the exits. It might not have much effect on capacity alone without the terminal alterations, but would save a lot of noise and fuel and reduce missed approaches. Sadly, I doubt the airport would be interested in the improvements from the safety and fuel efficiency perspective and will only carry them out if the rest of the capacity modifications are done. I doubt even the noise footprint issue of fewer missed approaches and more full-length departures with reduced thrust will interest them, just increased traffic.
A Tenerife run is sometime possible from the intersection in dry weather with high QNH and a light load, but in the winter with a good load, forget it. Some occasions the performance can be a bit tight on a 73-8. As for landing and making the intersections without back tracking, that can be challenging in the recent weather, where you carry a little extra speed for wind shear protection and are landing on a wet runway with cross winds rather than head winds. As a rule of thumb, you can make B on 26 if you pass C at 100kts or less, and A on 08 if you pass C at 110kts or less, but any faster and you need to brake heavily, and then the anti-skid starts hammering in the wet where the rubber deposits make it slippery, so you still often pass the exit, but with increased discomfort, sending the traffic behind you around. Personally, I think the planned positions for the new high speed exit are to close to the mid point - they should meet the runway centreline where A and B presently do, but no tighter or they will be a liability in wet weather.
A Tenerife run is sometime possible from the intersection in dry weather with high QNH and a light load, but in the winter with a good load, forget it. Some occasions the performance can be a bit tight on a 73-8. As for landing and making the intersections without back tracking, that can be challenging in the recent weather, where you carry a little extra speed for wind shear protection and are landing on a wet runway with cross winds rather than head winds. As a rule of thumb, you can make B on 26 if you pass C at 100kts or less, and A on 08 if you pass C at 110kts or less, but any faster and you need to brake heavily, and then the anti-skid starts hammering in the wet where the rubber deposits make it slippery, so you still often pass the exit, but with increased discomfort, sending the traffic behind you around. Personally, I think the planned positions for the new high speed exit are to close to the mid point - they should meet the runway centreline where A and B presently do, but no tighter or they will be a liability in wet weather.