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Definition of a Hub and Spoke operation-
Through fares interline and timetabled connections and re-bookings if the connection fails because of the airlines neglect !
Its a Hub and spoke operation !
By the way Southampton is also a FLYBE Hub.
The three are referred to by FLYBE themselves as HUBs in all reports
Cloud1 I am not sure what part you are denying or even what it is YOU consider necessary for an operation to be considered a Hub and Spoke .
Sure Easyjet and Ryan aren't.
Through fares interline and timetabled connections and re-bookings if the connection fails because of the airlines neglect !
Its a Hub and spoke operation !
By the way Southampton is also a FLYBE Hub.
The three are referred to by FLYBE themselves as HUBs in all reports
Cloud1 I am not sure what part you are denying or even what it is YOU consider necessary for an operation to be considered a Hub and Spoke .
Sure Easyjet and Ryan aren't.
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It's a pretty pointless thing to argue over but I think the difference of opinion stems from the fact that we are not talking about a normal hub. We are discussing the "Flybe hub" and it is only MAN that is marketed and considered a hub. BHX and SOU are at present core airports. Your definition may stand if you are looking at any hub in its simplest terms but a marketed hub is a different thing.
Maybe we can agree to disagree and move on
Been looking at the new schedule and Monday the 19th May as an example shows 10 based aircraft operating as follows
06:25 CDG E195
06:40. BHD. E175
06:45. MXP. E175
06:50. ABZ. Q400
07:00. EDI. E175
07:00. DUS. E175
07:05. AMS. Q400
07:05. HAJ. E175
07:10. GLA. Q400
07:10. STR. E175
Quite a nice business looking schedule supported by leisure and business in the day time
Maybe we can agree to disagree and move on
Been looking at the new schedule and Monday the 19th May as an example shows 10 based aircraft operating as follows
06:25 CDG E195
06:40. BHD. E175
06:45. MXP. E175
06:50. ABZ. Q400
07:00. EDI. E175
07:00. DUS. E175
07:05. AMS. Q400
07:05. HAJ. E175
07:10. GLA. Q400
07:10. STR. E175
Quite a nice business looking schedule supported by leisure and business in the day time
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Also the 10 listed doesn't tell the whole story as the Cologne departs at 10am and none of the based Q400's are back by then - is this an eleventh based or will it arrive from elsewhere? The Knock is operated by a IOM based aircraft as well and of course there is the DUS night-stopper crewed from the BHX base.
legalize - the rumour is the one beginning with M.
SAS - Blue 1 have started operating the morning Copenhagen at least fror February. Very early yet but the 320 is listed on the evening service from late April although I have seen several different aircraft on the CPH for summer 14.
Pete
Also the 10 listed doesn't tell the whole story as the Cologne departs at 10am and none of the based Q400's are back by then - is this an eleventh based or will it arrive from elsewhere? The Knock is operated by a IOM based aircraft as well and of course there is the DUS night-stopper crewed from the BHX base.
legalize - the rumour is the one beginning with M.
SAS - Blue 1 have started operating the morning Copenhagen at least fror February. Very early yet but the 320 is listed on the evening service from late April although I have seen several different aircraft on the CPH for summer 14.
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Not sure but there may be a Q400 that miss' out the early wave rotations to act as a spare or back up until the CGN. I will need to go through the schedule properly when I get some time but the connections timetable seems very accurate (more so than the standard!)
With regards to Monarch, I had been given the impression that Menzies were expecting to get much busier. I cannot imagine this was just based on the increase in BE flying so maybe the rumours you heard OP were correct.
With regards to Monarch, I had been given the impression that Menzies were expecting to get much busier. I cannot imagine this was just based on the increase in BE flying so maybe the rumours you heard OP were correct.
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"06:25 CDG E195
06:40. BHD. E175
06:45. MXP. E175
06:50. ABZ. Q400
07:00. EDI. E175
07:00. DUS. E175
07:05. AMS. Q400
07:05. HAJ. E175
07:10. GLA. Q400
07:10. STR. E175"
That (+Ryanair) makes for a busy T2 - how many air bridges/walkable gates and how many bus gates are there in T2?
06:40. BHD. E175
06:45. MXP. E175
06:50. ABZ. Q400
07:00. EDI. E175
07:00. DUS. E175
07:05. AMS. Q400
07:05. HAJ. E175
07:10. GLA. Q400
07:10. STR. E175"
That (+Ryanair) makes for a busy T2 - how many air bridges/walkable gates and how many bus gates are there in T2?
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I don't think all can be used at the same time and some are not used at all. Airbridge stands are 1-4 (although RYR use stands 1-3 for parking) . 8R , and 14-16. stand 8L can also be used when 8R is occupied .I make it 18 stands on the former T2. To be honest it needs demolishing and rebuilt !
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I was just doing the maths as well. I didn't want to contradict Nigel because he's local and knows his stuff. Nevertheless, I made it 16 plus 6 remote. As you mention, getonittt, it also depends on aircraft size etc.
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Italy from BHX
I have flown BHX -Bergamo on each of the last two years and each time loadings have appeared good and with a mixture of both UK and Italian passengers. This year Bergamo seems to have been dropped and replaced by Malpensa in the destinations list, or has it? Looking at June and July it is not possible to find flights to either airport.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Can anyone shed any light on this?
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The runway is closed at BGY for repairs during a period in may/june and RYR will move the operation to MXP for this period . I don't think RYR have decided if they are going to keep the route for summer 2014 but have both in the drop down menu just in case.
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East Midlands to Milan Bergamo is back up to 4x weekly for S14 (from only 3x weekly in S13), maybe they have dropped the Birmingham route.
Birmingham to Rzeszow appears to be ending in March as well, with funnily enough an extra flight per week from East Midlands.
Birmingham to Rzeszow appears to be ending in March as well, with funnily enough an extra flight per week from East Midlands.
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Thanks for your update. It would be shame if RYR drop this route from BHX. Although i have no idea as to the yield it it was well supported on the occasions i have used it. Bergamo is such a beautiful city it is to be hoped that someone else will pick it up. Until then, it looks like it will have to be Pizza Express when i want a quatro formaggi...
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Getonnit,
Yeah not seen much on 8C although it can take a 747.
BHX did look at refurbishing the old T2 but as you say it cannot be done, and BHX have said they cannot afford to demolish and restart it for some time.
Nigel
Yeah not seen much on 8C although it can take a 747.
BHX did look at refurbishing the old T2 but as you say it cannot be done, and BHX have said they cannot afford to demolish and restart it for some time.
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As the moment stands 5 , 10 , & 12 are not in use . There is no stand 9 but 8L & R can be used at the same time so it's 19 stands available including the 6 remotes. The press announcement said that the based fleet will be 12 aircraft so I think at weekends there maybe some aircraft on the 70's and of course over at the monarch hangar.
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Rutankrd is incorrect - BHX is not a Flybe hub in the same sense that MAN is. Sure you can book through tickets but they all require you to go landside. I think BHX need to sort their transfer facilities first before they can have the same status as MAN and similar short connection times
International connections need to go land side even through Manchester and as i just said the Hub over Manchester is primarily a DOMESTIC operation.
It's truly difficult to believe, especially as both MAN and BHX aspire for longhaul flights from Asia which would undoubtly be carrying some pax wishing to transfer to other UK, Irish and European destinations.
Many of those pax may not be EEA citizens, and some of these would require visas to go landside to change planes. It smacks of the USA setup and just doesn't cut it!
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Fairdealfrank, there is a difference between international to international connections and international to domestic connections. As far as I can remember that always involved clearing imigration and customs prior to proceeding to the domestic departure gate via security again. Smaller airports with small numbers of hubbing pax will not provide special provision for this as, for instance Schiphol, where a large majority of pax are hubbing.
Details of new FlyBe routes from Airline Route:
flyBe in Summer 2014 is expanding operations at Birmingham, with the launch of 7 routes with Dash8-Q400 and Embraer E175 aircraft. Planned new service as follow.
eff 10APR14 Birmingham – Cologne 1 daily
BE1836 BHX0905 – 1150CGN DH4 7
BE1836 BHX1000 – 1245CGN DH4 x67
BE1836 BHX1210 – 1445CGN E75 6
BE1837 CGN1225 – 1320BHX DH4 7
BE1837 CGN1310 – 1405BHX DH4 x67
BE1837 CGN1510 – 1550BHX E75 6
eff 10APR14 Birmingham – Florence 6 weekly
BE1846 BHX1140 – 1455FLR E75 x2
BE1847 FLR1530 – 1650BHX E75 x2
eff 11APR14 Birmingham – Alicante 5 weekly
BE1856 BHX0800 – 1130ALC E75 7
BE1856 BHX1230 – 1600ALC E75 135
BE1856 BHX1400 – 1730ALC E75 6
BE1857 ALC1210 – 1350BHX E75 7
BE1857 ALC1645 – 1825BHX E75 135
BE1857 ALC1810 – 1950BHX E75 6
eff 12APR14 Birmingham – Porto 4 weekly
BE1852 BHX0745 – 1005OPO E75 5
BE1852 BHX0800 – 1020OPO E75 6
BE1852 BHX1140 – 1400OPO E75 2
BE1852 BHX1235 – 1455OPO E75 7
BE1853 OPO1030 – 1255BHX E75 5
BE1853 OPO1045 – 1310BHX E75 6
BE1853 OPO1425 – 1650BHX E75 2
BE1853 OPO1525 – 1750BHX E75 7
eff 14MAY14 Birmingham – Bordeaux 4 weekly
BE1842 BHX1130 – 1415BOD E75 135
BE1842 BHX1345 – 1650BOD DH4 7
BE1843 BOD1440 – 1525BHX E75 135
BE1843 BOD1715 – 1830BHX DH4 7
eff 14MAY14 Birmingham – Toulouse 6 weekly
BE1844 BHX1235 – 1600TLS DH4 x67
BE1844 BHX1500 – 1815TLS E75 7
BE1845 TLS1635 – 1810BHX DH4 x67
BE1845 TLS1840 – 2005BHX E75 7
eff 15MAY14 Birmingham – Palma Mallorca 4 weekly
BE1838 BHX0830 – 1155PMI E75 7
BE1838 BHX1250 – 1615PMI E75 24
BE1838 BHX1615 – 1940PMI E75 6
BE1839 PMI1230 – 1405BHX E75 7
BE1839 PMI1655 – 1830BHX E75 24
BE1839 PMI2020 – 2155BHX E75 6
flyBe in Summer 2014 is expanding operations at Birmingham, with the launch of 7 routes with Dash8-Q400 and Embraer E175 aircraft. Planned new service as follow.
eff 10APR14 Birmingham – Cologne 1 daily
BE1836 BHX0905 – 1150CGN DH4 7
BE1836 BHX1000 – 1245CGN DH4 x67
BE1836 BHX1210 – 1445CGN E75 6
BE1837 CGN1225 – 1320BHX DH4 7
BE1837 CGN1310 – 1405BHX DH4 x67
BE1837 CGN1510 – 1550BHX E75 6
eff 10APR14 Birmingham – Florence 6 weekly
BE1846 BHX1140 – 1455FLR E75 x2
BE1847 FLR1530 – 1650BHX E75 x2
eff 11APR14 Birmingham – Alicante 5 weekly
BE1856 BHX0800 – 1130ALC E75 7
BE1856 BHX1230 – 1600ALC E75 135
BE1856 BHX1400 – 1730ALC E75 6
BE1857 ALC1210 – 1350BHX E75 7
BE1857 ALC1645 – 1825BHX E75 135
BE1857 ALC1810 – 1950BHX E75 6
eff 12APR14 Birmingham – Porto 4 weekly
BE1852 BHX0745 – 1005OPO E75 5
BE1852 BHX0800 – 1020OPO E75 6
BE1852 BHX1140 – 1400OPO E75 2
BE1852 BHX1235 – 1455OPO E75 7
BE1853 OPO1030 – 1255BHX E75 5
BE1853 OPO1045 – 1310BHX E75 6
BE1853 OPO1425 – 1650BHX E75 2
BE1853 OPO1525 – 1750BHX E75 7
eff 14MAY14 Birmingham – Bordeaux 4 weekly
BE1842 BHX1130 – 1415BOD E75 135
BE1842 BHX1345 – 1650BOD DH4 7
BE1843 BOD1440 – 1525BHX E75 135
BE1843 BOD1715 – 1830BHX DH4 7
eff 14MAY14 Birmingham – Toulouse 6 weekly
BE1844 BHX1235 – 1600TLS DH4 x67
BE1844 BHX1500 – 1815TLS E75 7
BE1845 TLS1635 – 1810BHX DH4 x67
BE1845 TLS1840 – 2005BHX E75 7
eff 15MAY14 Birmingham – Palma Mallorca 4 weekly
BE1838 BHX0830 – 1155PMI E75 7
BE1838 BHX1250 – 1615PMI E75 24
BE1838 BHX1615 – 1940PMI E75 6
BE1839 PMI1230 – 1405BHX E75 7
BE1839 PMI1655 – 1830BHX E75 24
BE1839 PMI2020 – 2155BHX E75 6
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Menzies win Monarch
legalize - the rumour is the one beginning with M.legalize -
If it is Menzies they going to be busy boys. With the Flybe morning schedule published above and also 10 Monarchs in the 1st wave.
If it is Menzies they going to be busy boys. With the Flybe morning schedule published above and also 10 Monarchs in the 1st wave.
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FLYBE CGN service
So, as I suspected (from the block times first mentioned some posts ago), the CGN is indeed a DHC-8 operation with the exception of Saturday. Even taking into consideration the attractive start-up fares I will personally stick to DUS with the better timings and the EWG/CRJ-900s or BEE/EMB-175s. Personally I'll only tollerate a turboprop over longer sectors when there's no other choice.