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To have any growth you need a based airline to creat a hub (or alliance hub). That is the main reason LHR has all those flights with major feeds from Scandinavia/Ireland/North U.K etc to their long haul flights. BHX pax figures are laid bare but i would like to see LHR's , i bet some are laughable but those flights have to run because of the hub system . Despite what Crewmeal says BHX's long/medium haul figures are excellent , and you have to remember that those flights are all BHX as an Origin/destination so nearly 10 million Pax a year is SOME market! .
But they have perspective, whereas the majority of the general public have no idea of aviation . They wouldnt know who flies to and where and how many planes use each airport , they think increased flights means earthquake creating noise as if fleets of tridents and VC10's are going over their houses every 2 minutes , of course they are not going to know if BHX needs another runway or not , thats why every time there is a news item on TV we are left rolling our eyes!
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"Birmingham Airport says the New York JFK sector is expected to be particularly popular with Midlanders wanting to reach the city for business and leisure purposes and will complement Birmingham’s current daily scheduled flight to New York Newark Airport. "
Laughable.
"With a growing number of long-haul flights launching from Birmingham, we’re clearly demonstrating the desire by airlines to operate to and from the Midlands"
And where exactly are these flights going to? Tokyo, Los Angeles, Beijing Rio de Janeiro, the places that local businesses may want to export to ...errr no. Destinations that are primarily destined for VFR purposes only (visiting friends & relatives).
"Birmingham Airport says the New York JFK sector is expected to be particularly popular with Midlanders wanting to reach the city for business and leisure purposes and will complement Birmingham’s current daily scheduled flight to New York Newark Airport. "
Laughable.
"With a growing number of long-haul flights launching from Birmingham, we’re clearly demonstrating the desire by airlines to operate to and from the Midlands"
And where exactly are these flights going to? Tokyo, Los Angeles, Beijing Rio de Janeiro, the places that local businesses may want to export to ...errr no. Destinations that are primarily destined for VFR purposes only (visiting friends & relatives).
"With a growing number of long-haul flights launching from Birmingham, we’re clearly demonstrating the desire by airlines to operate to and from the Midlands"
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PK is putting so much spin on Binman that it's making the world believe that long haul expansion is imminent.
Q : Who shall we fly to America with?
A : Not Bangladesh Airlines where US Customs and Immigration are all hyped up and ready to say no.
They lasted less than a season at MAN if I recall, non Baglasdeshi UK-US traffic will be near zero on this.
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O.K. now that what we all knew WHAT would happen HAS happened i hope BHX and also the west midlands region as whole will withdraw any support for HS2. I mean , all along BHX has said they want HS2 as a means of getting people from the south to use an expanded airport in the midlands so now that business case is no longer relevant hopefully HS2 will be kicked into touch.
However this government may not be in power in 2 years time.
Probably won't be once it's lost all it's marginals around LHR and it's "safe" seats in the Chilterns and Oxfordshire to the third runways and HS2 NIMBYs.
At the next election, marginal seats will change hands on issues such as the cost of living and the economy, and whether UKIP can take enough votes away from the incumbents to let in challengers, it’s as simple as that.
So let’s nail, once and for all, this fantasy that marginal seats will change hands because of airport policy.
Of the seats around LHR, 1 is safe Libdem (Twickenham), 3 are safe Con (Maidenhead, Spelthorne and Windsor), 4 are safe Labour (Feltham and Heston, Hayes and Harlington, Slough and Southall)
Just 2 are marginal Con: Brentford and Isleworth (Con-Lab marginal), with many airport workers; and Richmomnd Park (Con-Libdem marginal), where LHR expansion is a non-issue because both Zac Goldsmith the sitting MP and his Libdem challenger will be anti-LHR expansion.
"Birmingham Airport says the New York JFK sector is expected to be particularly popular with Midlanders wanting to reach the city for business and leisure purposes and will complement Birmingham’s current daily scheduled flight to New York Newark Airport. "
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You get what you pay for is £100 single is the advertised fares. Those using it should be under no illusions, although as far as Skytrax is concerned, id take that with a pinch of manipulated salt. Not convinced by the longevity of this particular venture though...
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Glad you think so. Ever heard of the "Save Kidderminster Hospital" candidate that won an election on a single issue; Martin Bell in Tatton, many years ago a guy called Dick Taverne - a disaffected something or other. There are plenty of other examples - and that, as you say, if before we even start on Farage's mob.
A few single-issue candidates, and things can happen - with your views on HS2 which seem to be pretty anti - I'm surprised you haven't found a leafy constituency somewhere in the Chilterns to cause mischief in!!
It's democracy - and even in our rather undemocratic version, unexpected things happen!
Grave danger that this thread will slide towards a more "Jet Blast-esque" flavour, so I'll leave it there.
At the next election, marginal seats will change hands on issues such as the cost of living and the economy, and whether UKIP can take enough votes away from the incumbents to let in challengers, it’s as simple as that.
A few single-issue candidates, and things can happen - with your views on HS2 which seem to be pretty anti - I'm surprised you haven't found a leafy constituency somewhere in the Chilterns to cause mischief in!!
It's democracy - and even in our rather undemocratic version, unexpected things happen!
Grave danger that this thread will slide towards a more "Jet Blast-esque" flavour, so I'll leave it there.
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Glad you think so. Ever heard of the "Save Kidderminster Hospital" candidate that won an election on a single issue; Martin Bell in Tatton, many years ago a guy called Dick Taverne - a disaffected something or other. There are plenty of other examples - and that, as you say, if before we even start on Farage's mob.
With all the hospital closures up and down the country, there was only ever one anti-hospital closure MP. There was only ever one anti-sleaze MP, and NONE after the expenses scandal.
Why do you think that HACAN or others have never fielded anti-Heathrow expansion candidates?
The only anti-Heathrow expansion candidate that ever stood for Parliament had to run as a Conservative (Zac Goldsmith, Richmond). Why do you think this is the case?
A few single-issue candidates, and things can happen - with your views on HS2 which seem to be pretty anti - I'm surprised you haven't found a leafy constituency somewhere in the Chilterns to cause mischief in!!
Am not anti-HS2 in principle, just against the daft and unnecessarily expensive and disruptive route they've used, would be better to follow a combination of existing railways and motorways for the most part, with the "Y" near Rugby. Also, the intention to use out of town "parkway" stations" is crazy. Time wasted accessing these stations cancels the advantage of being on a high speed train!
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Glad you think so. Ever heard of the "Save Kidderminster Hospital" candidate that won an election on a single issue; Martin Bell in Tatton, many years ago a guy called Dick Taverne - a disaffected something or other. There are plenty of other examples - and that, as you say, if before we even start on Farage's mob.
With all the hospital closures up and down the country, there was only ever one anti-hospital closure MP. There was only ever one anti-sleaze MP, and NONE after the expenses scandal.
Why do you think that HACAN or others have never fielded anti-Heathrow expansion candidates?
The only anti-Heathrow expansion candidate that ever stood for Parliament had to run as a Conservative (Zac Goldsmith, Richmond). Why do you think this is the case?
A few single-issue candidates, and things can happen - with your views on HS2 which seem to be pretty anti - I'm surprised you haven't found a leafy constituency somewhere in the Chilterns to cause mischief in!!
Am pro-HS2 in principle, just against the daft and unnecessarily expensive and disruptive route they've used, just think it be better to follow a combination of existing railways and motorways for the most part, with the "Y" near Rugby. Also, the intention to use out of town "parkway" stations" is crazy. Time wasted accessing these stations cancels the advantage of being on a high speed train!
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Regarding Biman, I simply can not see the JFK leg paying, no matter what rates they have managed to get out of BHX. If there was more demand for NYC, United would be back to double daily or up gauged to something matching the heady days when the venerable DC10s plied the route.
I'd wager, along with their intention of also recommencing MAN upon the arrival of the next 2 B777-300ERs, the JFK tag will be moved up the M6 in a matter of months, where I feel it will also struggle.
I'd wager, along with their intention of also recommencing MAN upon the arrival of the next 2 B777-300ERs, the JFK tag will be moved up the M6 in a matter of months, where I feel it will also struggle.
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Upgrades
This month has seen many upgrades on some routes particularly star alliance spoke routes. I know it is the run up to Christmas but I don't recall this many in the past. There have been umpteen DLH A321's on the FRA , SWR airbus on the ZRH , double daily A321 on THY , A321 on the AF paris and tonight a 737-800 on the SAS Copenhagen (which I believe is a much more suitable aircraft for the route and the Stockholm would suit the CRJ900 ) In summer when the Stockholm was timed similar to the CPH there was often overspill from the CPH CRJ to the 737 going to Arlanda.
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Yes certainly our CDG,and FRA have come on really well. When you think we had a piddly City Jet RJ for years until 18 months ago.Now grown from a 318 to 319,and increasingly an A320 and some A321s.
FRA likewise up to a 319-321.
Swiss is different, Zurich its seen massive cuts in capacity at BHX and should be said Manchester. LH who own them seem happy to put more on their LH flights at the expense of Zurich.
Stockholm..well SAS keep messing about with change of times planes and then months off..surely not what a businessmen wants.
TK has also seen numerous A321s in recent weeks, I think 3 alone this week.
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Yes certainly our CDG,and FRA have come on really well. When you think we had a piddly City Jet RJ for years until 18 months ago.Now grown from a 318 to 319,and increasingly an A320 and some A321s.
FRA likewise up to a 319-321.
Swiss is different, Zurich its seen massive cuts in capacity at BHX and should be said Manchester. LH who own them seem happy to put more on their LH flights at the expense of Zurich.
Stockholm..well SAS keep messing about with change of times planes and then months off..surely not what a businessmen wants.
TK has also seen numerous A321s in recent weeks, I think 3 alone this week.
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BIMAN
Let me explain a little more about Biman - I know a little bit about this.
This is basically a DAC-JFK route which has stuttered from farce to failure and back again for years.
The US authorities will not allow passengers to embark at DAC and de-plane at any US airport due to (well founded IMO) security concerns.
Therefore a stop en-route is required at an approved security screening facility. Used to be MAN, now apparently to be BHX.
There will be some DAC-BHX traffic and negligible BHX-US, but it matters not. BHX and MAN before it. is principally a pax screening facility and a chance to top the tanks up.
Suggestions that BG 'will complement' the UA service to Newark smack of desperation and are a bit of an insult to UA frankly.
The best ways to DAC are via the excellent connections offered by Emirates and now Turkish. That would also be the opinion of most Bangladeshis that I know. Reasons:
a) vastly superior service
b) a much better chance of arriving there when you should do.
c) no real price advantage by using Biman therefore less for your money.
All I can say is the English guy now running BG must have been desperate for the job; his CV is hardly airline top-drawer.
Let me explain a little more about Biman - I know a little bit about this.
This is basically a DAC-JFK route which has stuttered from farce to failure and back again for years.
The US authorities will not allow passengers to embark at DAC and de-plane at any US airport due to (well founded IMO) security concerns.
Therefore a stop en-route is required at an approved security screening facility. Used to be MAN, now apparently to be BHX.
There will be some DAC-BHX traffic and negligible BHX-US, but it matters not. BHX and MAN before it. is principally a pax screening facility and a chance to top the tanks up.
Suggestions that BG 'will complement' the UA service to Newark smack of desperation and are a bit of an insult to UA frankly.
The best ways to DAC are via the excellent connections offered by Emirates and now Turkish. That would also be the opinion of most Bangladeshis that I know. Reasons:
a) vastly superior service
b) a much better chance of arriving there when you should do.
c) no real price advantage by using Biman therefore less for your money.
All I can say is the English guy now running BG must have been desperate for the job; his CV is hardly airline top-drawer.
There will be some DAC-BHX traffic and negligible BHX-US,
There surely be a demand for DAC-BHX passenger business given the numbers of Bangladeshis in central England. If the price is right they'll use the service for sure.
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<<Biman might have some success is in cargo. Since virtually everything you wear these days comes from a sweat shop in Dacca, then there is undoubtedly going to be some demand for cargo from the region.>>
No-one is going to be air freighting t-shirts and jeans. Practically everything goes by sea for obvious reasons.
No-one is going to be air freighting t-shirts and jeans. Practically everything goes by sea for obvious reasons.
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No-one is going to be air freighting t-shirts and jeans. Practically everything goes by sea for obvious reasons.
No-one is going to be air freighting t-shirts and jeans. Practically everything goes by sea for obvious reasons.
If they need to restock urgently, then the value of the product will justify air freight. And of course aside of fashion Bangaldesh will be making other "stuff" that will be sent by air, if they aren't already.