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New routes are really good news for BHX.
I had heard VIE, OSL & MUC as new routes but all of these are now being offered via CDG,
I think PMI & ALC are good choices as there is a lack of seats on these routes.
I am bit suprised by the frequency of CGN & FLR.
I would thought HEL would have been chosen to link in with their operation their and the AY longhauls.
I had heard VIE, OSL & MUC as new routes but all of these are now being offered via CDG,
I think PMI & ALC are good choices as there is a lack of seats on these routes.
I am bit suprised by the frequency of CGN & FLR.
I would thought HEL would have been chosen to link in with their operation their and the AY longhauls.
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CATIII-NDB: Can't see CGN being a business route with a single daily rotation - and the timing of the CGN-BHX sector.
bhx bod: I think you misunderstood. I'm talking block times, not turnaround times. I flew this route with GWI and HLX in the past. The shortest block time was 1:13 (flight time 1:00) and the longest 1:34 (flight time 1:16). If the Flybe block times are correct I would guess they might be using an DHC-8 and not an E175.
bhx bod: I think you misunderstood. I'm talking block times, not turnaround times. I flew this route with GWI and HLX in the past. The shortest block time was 1:13 (flight time 1:00) and the longest 1:34 (flight time 1:16). If the Flybe block times are correct I would guess they might be using an DHC-8 and not an E175.
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Don't know if you would remember but when Augsburg Airways operated to CGN their Dash used to spend a large chunk of the day sat idle at BHX.I'm only guessing but maybe it has something to do with slot restrictions at CGN.
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Hotel Tango.
Yes I see what you mean,thanks for that.
Virgin Blue.
I knew there was a reason for the aircraft sitting on the ground all that time but just couldn't remember what it was.Thanks for clearing it up.
Does anyone have any idea as to why the ATN 767F is in.
I thought it may have something to do with motor parts but that is a guess??
Yes I see what you mean,thanks for that.
Virgin Blue.
I knew there was a reason for the aircraft sitting on the ground all that time but just couldn't remember what it was.Thanks for clearing it up.
Does anyone have any idea as to why the ATN 767F is in.
I thought it may have something to do with motor parts but that is a guess??
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As only an occasional user of Birmingham I am very surprised the routes just announced by Flybe especially Alicante and Palma using a E175 after getting ride of some E190s. I wouldn´t give them much hope up against Ryanair and Monarch and also EMA close by. As for Toulouse on a Dash 400 come on. Florence six times weekly where are the pax going to come from. Sorry to be so negative but just cannot see this working at all but hope I am proved wrong as there are many jobs at stake.
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The airport is well situated, being around 100km from the big industrial / commercial centre of Bologna, and 60km or so from the tourist centre of Pisa, whilst being located in Florence, which itself is big tourist destination. As usual it's a case of your average "Joe" having a good enough knowledge of geography to realise that a business trip to Bologna is probably better made over Florence than Milan. It should offer a good combination of business and leisure PAX, especially as it is very poorly served from "north of Watford".
As for the other announced destinations, if the price - and just as importantly, the service, is right then the number of seats on offer on the Med. routes isn't that great and I would think that, again, the airline's management has done it's sums and reckons there is a better than even chance of success.
Us "armchair" airline strategists can comment all we like, but I would suggest the more often than not, the professionals get it right.
Florence six times weekly where are the pax going to come from.
As for the other announced destinations, if the price - and just as importantly, the service, is right then the number of seats on offer on the Med. routes isn't that great and I would think that, again, the airline's management has done it's sums and reckons there is a better than even chance of success.
Us "armchair" airline strategists can comment all we like, but I would suggest the more often than not, the professionals get it right.
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Eurojet BHX.
The Citation signs have been removed from the Eurojet Hangar at BHX, and reports that Citation are not to use the facility any more.
How will this impact them, are Citations the biggest form of income for Eurojet ?
Nigel
The Citation signs have been removed from the Eurojet Hangar at BHX, and reports that Citation are not to use the facility any more.
How will this impact them, are Citations the biggest form of income for Eurojet ?
Nigel
As for Toulouse on a Dash 400 come on
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Obviously the schedules are still work in progress but it appears to be 1 x 195, 6 x 175 and 5 x DH8D's with the IOM aircraft operating the Knock.
Cologne is a DH8D and does not match any inbound and I wonder whether the new twice removed (before it started) 8th EDI service will do this. A second DH8D was scheduled to arrive BHX 30 minutes after the first inbound and operate an 8th Glasgow before returning to EDI in the afternoon. If not there is still slack in the schedule.
Other aspects I have noticed is that the Bordeaux 175 when it doesn't operate does a 4th Amsterdam (Tuesday and Thursday).
The Porto is clearly a gap filler as it operates in the week the one day Florence doesn't and the Friday morning when Hanover doesn't.
Like others I am sceptical about some of these flights and who said wish lists are daft, one on mine which I never thought would be considered let alone be viable has been chosen and I have booked already - Florence!
A good pub quiz question - how many operators have tried and failed on BHX-CGN - interesting choice. I still think the likes of Vienna, Oslo and Geneva might appear at some point the future. Looks as if nobody likes Madrid though.
I assume Bordeaux and Toulouse will get Air France code-shares and lets hope it prompts Monarch to send their aircraft somewhere else. Monarch Bordeaux operates Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, which by co-incidence are the week days Nice doesn't operate - Problem solved
. Awful load factors on Monarch BOD and I can only assume someone somewhere has been giving it a helping hand. flybe when they last operated Bordeaux had good load factors on the DH8D and then they chopped it, which again is a worry.
The whole schedule looks pretty amazing but some tinkering for winter one thinks.
Pete
Cologne is a DH8D and does not match any inbound and I wonder whether the new twice removed (before it started) 8th EDI service will do this. A second DH8D was scheduled to arrive BHX 30 minutes after the first inbound and operate an 8th Glasgow before returning to EDI in the afternoon. If not there is still slack in the schedule.
Other aspects I have noticed is that the Bordeaux 175 when it doesn't operate does a 4th Amsterdam (Tuesday and Thursday).
The Porto is clearly a gap filler as it operates in the week the one day Florence doesn't and the Friday morning when Hanover doesn't.
Like others I am sceptical about some of these flights and who said wish lists are daft, one on mine which I never thought would be considered let alone be viable has been chosen and I have booked already - Florence!
A good pub quiz question - how many operators have tried and failed on BHX-CGN - interesting choice. I still think the likes of Vienna, Oslo and Geneva might appear at some point the future. Looks as if nobody likes Madrid though.
I assume Bordeaux and Toulouse will get Air France code-shares and lets hope it prompts Monarch to send their aircraft somewhere else. Monarch Bordeaux operates Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, which by co-incidence are the week days Nice doesn't operate - Problem solved
. Awful load factors on Monarch BOD and I can only assume someone somewhere has been giving it a helping hand. flybe when they last operated Bordeaux had good load factors on the DH8D and then they chopped it, which again is a worry.The whole schedule looks pretty amazing but some tinkering for winter one thinks.
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There is some business traffic to be had to/from CGN but no one has made it work in the midlands thus far, but a 8 is the right size i guess, but it needs frequency, some of the Flybe routes looks like someone has put a map of Europe up and thrown darts at it.
Madness taking on Monarch & Ryanair on med routes, if your skin't you'll fly with one and if you think your posh you'll fly with the other.
Re Madrid, after BHX next stop is LHR heading south, so if going to tempt LHR traffic from driving south you need two flights a day on a route like this, ditto any major city route, put simply you'll not get that from the above, sadly BHX continues to punch below its weight.
Madness taking on Monarch & Ryanair on med routes, if your skin't you'll fly with one and if you think your posh you'll fly with the other.
Re Madrid, after BHX next stop is LHR heading south, so if going to tempt LHR traffic from driving south you need two flights a day on a route like this, ditto any major city route, put simply you'll not get that from the above, sadly BHX continues to punch below its weight.
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Flybe Med
If Flybe's pricing structure is right they may do well on the med routes. Have selected 26/05/14 - 02/06/14 and compared Flybe, Monarch and Ryanair to include a 20kg suitcase for both legs.
Flybe - £199.82
Ryanair - £264.98
Monarch - £321.94
LNIDA - based on your post Flybe should get most of the passengers coming up the cheapest.
Flybe - £199.82
Ryanair - £264.98
Monarch - £321.94
LNIDA - based on your post Flybe should get most of the passengers coming up the cheapest.
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Thats a very good price, but we all know FR can be ruthless on pricing if they want, just hope it work for them (Flybe) no surprise at Monarch being the most expensive though, but I think Pete said their loads are poor, time will tell....
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Flybe - £199.82
Ryanair - £264.98
Monarch - £321.94
Wow - the power of competition.
Looks like FlyBe are going for it. Good luck to them.
They have up until recently been a high(ish) cost airline masquerading as a low cost one. But the recent chopping must have had an impact on their cost base.
See above pricing.
Whether they can sustain those price levels or whether they are just introductory offers remains to be seen.
However investors must worry about what route and ops strategy they have as it seems to chop and change all the time.
Unless the strategy is 'there is no strategy'.
Ryanair - £264.98
Monarch - £321.94
Wow - the power of competition.
Looks like FlyBe are going for it. Good luck to them.
They have up until recently been a high(ish) cost airline masquerading as a low cost one. But the recent chopping must have had an impact on their cost base.
See above pricing.
Whether they can sustain those price levels or whether they are just introductory offers remains to be seen.
However investors must worry about what route and ops strategy they have as it seems to chop and change all the time.
Unless the strategy is 'there is no strategy'.
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I think the strategy needs to be clarified but investors still seem happy - Flybes share price has remained above 100 pence which compared to previously is certainly an improvement.
So in the last few weeks 10 new routes announced for summer 14
BHX to 7 above
BHX to NQY
NQY to SEN
NQY to LGW (previously non op for S14)
Let's see if there are any more in the pipeline
So in the last few weeks 10 new routes announced for summer 14
BHX to 7 above
BHX to NQY
NQY to SEN
NQY to LGW (previously non op for S14)
Let's see if there are any more in the pipeline
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The strategy seems disjointed at best. Consolidation and cull of under performing routes and now addition of flights on long sectors against LOCO's etc.
May be the case that there is opportunity in peak when everybody wants flights and some of the busy domestics are slowing down to switch to sun routes. Being the cheapest (even at sustainably set prices) may not result in satisfactory loads. The big challenge will be getting the prospective flyer to consult BE for these flights....
That all said BE have spoken about core markets and BHX is one of those for them . If their activity on FR routes has an impact on FR the result will not be nice. Risky.
May be the case that there is opportunity in peak when everybody wants flights and some of the busy domestics are slowing down to switch to sun routes. Being the cheapest (even at sustainably set prices) may not result in satisfactory loads. The big challenge will be getting the prospective flyer to consult BE for these flights....
That all said BE have spoken about core markets and BHX is one of those for them . If their activity on FR routes has an impact on FR the result will not be nice. Risky.
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BHX 2 LTN -V- BHX 2 LHR time difference half of naff all???
LTN 2 BHX 1.35
LHR 2 BHX 1.47
Cost base, only one airline has a cost base higher than SAS yep Flybe.......and they (Flybe) are going up against FR Europe's lowest cost base, some niche volume maybe, higher cost base lower tickets prices, sounds like a plan sam.
LTN 2 BHX 1.35
LHR 2 BHX 1.47
Cost base, only one airline has a cost base higher than SAS yep Flybe.......and they (Flybe) are going up against FR Europe's lowest cost base, some niche volume maybe, higher cost base lower tickets prices, sounds like a plan sam.
LTN 2 BHX 1.35 LHR 2 BHX 1.47
Other issue - people don't drive to BHX to start their car journey to LTN or LHR, surprisingly they go from home!!
If that home is Solihull the equation it totally different to say, Dudley. OK neither is politically in Birmingham, but in reality people living in Birmingham aren't the only ones wishing to fly anywhere in Europe.
I am no statistician, but by what yardstick has FlyBe a costbase higher than SAS, and for that matter, not working for either carrier how could anyone know such information sufficiently well to quote is as being fact?