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FlyBe thread suggesting 5 routes dropped Ex Bhx ?
CGN has been tried, and failed by more than a few, and when all said and done the )rail) journey between DUS and Cologne isn't that arduous - provided the DB train drivers can be bothered to work that is!
Perhaps as has been mentioned previously, the 175 just isn't the right equipment for FLR, and there isn't a spare 195 in the plan.
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Currently showing no flights which were previously bookable at BHX are.
Knock, Waterford, Porto, Toulouse, Oslo and Hamburg.
Add this to flights already dropped, Cologne, Florence, Palma, Alicante, Reykjavik and Hanover cut from 2 to one and this could be a very large decrease.
The press release for BHX stated 25 routes, this would match the above being dropped.
Most of these routes were launched last year, if they got it so wrong I don't hold out much hope for the new routes being launched this year.
Perhaps it is just a timetable update.
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Knock, Waterford, Porto, Toulouse, Oslo and Hamburg.
Add this to flights already dropped, Cologne, Florence, Palma, Alicante, Reykjavik and Hanover cut from 2 to one and this could be a very large decrease.
The press release for BHX stated 25 routes, this would match the above being dropped.
Most of these routes were launched last year, if they got it so wrong I don't hold out much hope for the new routes being launched this year.
Perhaps it is just a timetable update.
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Well if all this pans out to be true, BE have gone right down in my estimation. Launch a load of new routes in a blaze of glory, only less than a year later drop them all? Absolutely p**s poor behaviour by BE that smacks of complete and utter lack of direction in long term strategy and planning and just down right embarrassing for BHX. I personally wouldn't have given BE the pleasure of doing a press release for them.
Like centre cities says, let's just hope it's timetable issues and updates, although the route figures are certainly not saying that.
At least there is good news from AA, TK and of course new to BHX for 2015, Icelandair and Vueling.
Like centre cities says, let's just hope it's timetable issues and updates, although the route figures are certainly not saying that.
At least there is good news from AA, TK and of course new to BHX for 2015, Icelandair and Vueling.
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Full press release now available
https://www.flybe.com/corporate/media/news/1412/
TXL mentioned as winter route extended into summer.
HAM not.
25 routes total according to press release. Someone do the maths? [EDIT: Obviously CC did already do the maths above!]
https://www.flybe.com/corporate/media/news/1412/
TXL mentioned as winter route extended into summer.
HAM not.
25 routes total according to press release. Someone do the maths? [EDIT: Obviously CC did already do the maths above!]
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Oslo a winter route as well?
I have to say thought the BHX press release was an error yesterday but the clue was in the number of flights and as CC has stated it all ties up.
I would say at least two to three aircraft less.
Oil has gone down, loads have been brilliant therefore one can only assume that they haven't been able to get the yields although Hamburg and Oslo operating in winter won't give you enough time to prove a route.
Porto was marginal due sector length, Florence had great loads, decent fares alas the 175 is not the right aircraft for the route. Knock, Waterford, Toulouse have operated a little longer and they would have good yield data and it is difficult to see these getting replaced.
Cologne...no comment and the sun routes are served already so no complaints there. Iceland has another operator about to start.
Therefore you can understand some more than others but Oslo is it has gone is bizarre and why start Hamburg in competition - was there any route planning done beforehand?
I pity BHX having to send a press release out trying to talk it up!
I would have said some are off sale whilst they amend their timetable but the BHX is clear if read carefully.......which I didn't!
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I have to say thought the BHX press release was an error yesterday but the clue was in the number of flights and as CC has stated it all ties up.
I would say at least two to three aircraft less.
Oil has gone down, loads have been brilliant therefore one can only assume that they haven't been able to get the yields although Hamburg and Oslo operating in winter won't give you enough time to prove a route.
Porto was marginal due sector length, Florence had great loads, decent fares alas the 175 is not the right aircraft for the route. Knock, Waterford, Toulouse have operated a little longer and they would have good yield data and it is difficult to see these getting replaced.
Cologne...no comment and the sun routes are served already so no complaints there. Iceland has another operator about to start.
Therefore you can understand some more than others but Oslo is it has gone is bizarre and why start Hamburg in competition - was there any route planning done beforehand?
I pity BHX having to send a press release out trying to talk it up!
I would have said some are off sale whilst they amend their timetable but the BHX is clear if read carefully.......which I didn't!
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Press Release BHX
How to spin a positive press release boasting more choice when you have cut so many routes which are not mentioned.
Never let the truth get in the way of a story. story get in the way of the truth.
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Never let the truth get in the way of a story. story get in the way of the truth.
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Norwegian new routes between BHX, MAD/AGP/BCN
Norwegian is growing internationally and expanding its route network in Europe. The company is adding ten new routes from next spring between Spain and various European countries. Norwegian is launching flights between Barcelona and Birmingham, Dubrovnik, Trondhjem, Stavanger and Billund. We will also launch three new routes between Madrid and Catania, Dubrovnik and Birmingham. Furthermore, we will operate two new routes between Malaga and Birmingham and Edinburgh in addition to a new route between Helsinki and Pula.
“Norwegian has become one of the world’s largest low cost carriers. Now, more than 40 percent of our traffic is outside of Scandinavia, which illustrates a significant international expansion over the past year. We look forward to both our crew and passengers flying on the new routes,” says Thomas Ramdahl, Chief Commercial Officer in Norwegian.
Many new frequencies
Furthermore, many new frequencies are added on existing routes. From all the Nordic countries, Norwegian will add departures to popular destinations in Spain, Italy and Croatia among others.
“Our passengers appreciates our product with new aircraft and free WiFi. We have many popular routes from Scandinavia and now we are giving our passengers more opportunities to fly with us to some of our fantastic destinations,” says Thomas Ramdahl.
New routes in 2015
Barcelona-Billund |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 1st
Barcelona-Stavanger |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 4th
Barcelona-Trondhjem |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 3rd
Barcelona-Birmingham |full year |two weekly departures |first flight June 1st
Barcelona-Dubrovnik |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 3rd
Madrid-Catania |summer route |one weekly departures |first flight April 4th
Madrid-Dubrovnik |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight March 31st
Madrid-Birmingham |full year |three weekly departures |first flight March 31st
Malaga-Birmingham |full year |three weekly departures |first flight December 11th
Malaga-Edinburgh |full year |two weekly departures |first flight March 31st
Norwegian is growing internationally and expanding its route network in Europe. The company is adding ten new routes from next spring between Spain and various European countries. Norwegian is launching flights between Barcelona and Birmingham, Dubrovnik, Trondhjem, Stavanger and Billund. We will also launch three new routes between Madrid and Catania, Dubrovnik and Birmingham. Furthermore, we will operate two new routes between Malaga and Birmingham and Edinburgh in addition to a new route between Helsinki and Pula.
“Norwegian has become one of the world’s largest low cost carriers. Now, more than 40 percent of our traffic is outside of Scandinavia, which illustrates a significant international expansion over the past year. We look forward to both our crew and passengers flying on the new routes,” says Thomas Ramdahl, Chief Commercial Officer in Norwegian.
Many new frequencies
Furthermore, many new frequencies are added on existing routes. From all the Nordic countries, Norwegian will add departures to popular destinations in Spain, Italy and Croatia among others.
“Our passengers appreciates our product with new aircraft and free WiFi. We have many popular routes from Scandinavia and now we are giving our passengers more opportunities to fly with us to some of our fantastic destinations,” says Thomas Ramdahl.
New routes in 2015
Barcelona-Billund |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 1st
Barcelona-Stavanger |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 4th
Barcelona-Trondhjem |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 3rd
Barcelona-Birmingham |full year |two weekly departures |first flight June 1st
Barcelona-Dubrovnik |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight June 3rd
Madrid-Catania |summer route |one weekly departures |first flight April 4th
Madrid-Dubrovnik |summer route |two weekly departures |first flight March 31st
Madrid-Birmingham |full year |three weekly departures |first flight March 31st
Malaga-Birmingham |full year |three weekly departures |first flight December 11th
Malaga-Edinburgh |full year |two weekly departures |first flight March 31st
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Whilst I think seeing Norwegian make a return to BHX is going to be quite nice I'm thinking of the state of BHX-BCN. Vueling and Norwegian will start next year alongside flights already in place to Barcelona as well as nearby Girona and Reus from the likes of Thomas Cook, Thomson and Ryanair. I'd be quite surprised come Summer 2016/2017 if at least 1 of them hasn't pulled off the route.
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AA have themselves said via their Facebook on announcement that the BHX-JFK route is year round, not seasonal.
Has this now changed?
Has this now changed?
Great to see DY and no surprises from Fly Maybe. Management change routes and strategy more often than they have hot dinners!
Little surprised ALC was not included with DY.
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Well done BHX, the airlines are starting to take note.
I still think we are going to get a big route soon,possibly an LA or Beijing and I think it may well come from Norwegian, they are perfect for BHX
I still think we are going to get a big route soon,possibly an LA or Beijing and I think it may well come from Norwegian, they are perfect for BHX
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Got to give the guys at BHX credit, Icelandair, Vueling, American and now Norwegian, four new airlines so far for 2015 (I know AA has been at BHX before but it was a while ago!), I can't remember if that has ever happened before? A toe in the water by Norwegian, perhaps a prelude to a possible base in future years? They are exactly the kind of airline BHX desperately needs to expand it's European offerings and claw back leisure pax lost in recent years to BRS, EMA, MAN and LTN.
Sad to see BHX-Ireland routes soon down to just ORK and DUB, but these are the big population centres I guess.
The big route announcement, well the ball is rolling at quite a speed now, despite the recent side kicking from BE, so who knows?
Sad to see BHX-Ireland routes soon down to just ORK and DUB, but these are the big population centres I guess.
The big route announcement, well the ball is rolling at quite a speed now, despite the recent side kicking from BE, so who knows?
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Not sure if it is the economy, just natural growth or airlines are figuring there is actually life outside the M25.
BHX, NCL, EDI and MAN all adding numerous new routes recently, which has got to be good for the regions...and long may it continue.
BHX, NCL, EDI and MAN all adding numerous new routes recently, which has got to be good for the regions...and long may it continue.
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If i recall correctly Norwegian came of it when they moved out of WAW about the same time bmibaby went on it??
It will be interesting to see if they can replicate the same growth they've enjoyed in LGW, I suspect other Spanish destinations will follow, probably some Scandi-land & German routes as well.
I suspect Manchester will be next up from Spain
The pricing from BHX looks very aggressive
Well done BHX
It will be interesting to see if they can replicate the same growth they've enjoyed in LGW, I suspect other Spanish destinations will follow, probably some Scandi-land & German routes as well.
I suspect Manchester will be next up from Spain
The pricing from BHX looks very aggressive
Well done BHX