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Thanks for the update,
So there is absolutely nothing stopping a Chinese carrier flying to MAN if they really wanted too then, since 2007 ?
Nigel
Thanks for the update,
So there is absolutely nothing stopping a Chinese carrier flying to MAN if they really wanted too then, since 2007 ?
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As promised here is the analysis on China and how it might affect Manchester OR not as the case may be.
Chinese airlines focus on domestic growth while international expansion remains the poor cousin | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
It seems odd that there is a lot of speculation about trade delegations, goodwill visits etc to China by MAG BUT less focus on other areas of marketing which could make a massive difference immediately.
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You have to be a pretty savvy and jump through hoops to find long haul direct flights from Manchester on some of the price comparison web sites, in fact I am amazed anybody ever finds some of our direct Manchester services.
With the default always being governed understandably by price sensitivity Manchester passengers tend to be channelled via other hubs eg Dublin, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt I would have thought MAG would do well to campaign to get these portals to DEFAULT first and foremost to the "Manchester Direct Service" followed by lowest price !
It's a contentious issue, do you offer passengers the direct flight OR channel them via another hub with a what in some cases can result in considerable layover delays.
Whatever the choice I am sure many of these unsuspecting passengers have a clue what they are booking !
Bottom line, there is little point having the FlyLocal campaign if you cannot identify or find a Manchester service if it's effectively buried, maybe MAG would be well advised to alert the travelling public and possibly raise this as an issue or discussion point ? I am sure it would resonate with some consumer groups.
Chinese airlines focus on domestic growth while international expansion remains the poor cousin | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
It seems odd that there is a lot of speculation about trade delegations, goodwill visits etc to China by MAG BUT less focus on other areas of marketing which could make a massive difference immediately.
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You have to be a pretty savvy and jump through hoops to find long haul direct flights from Manchester on some of the price comparison web sites, in fact I am amazed anybody ever finds some of our direct Manchester services.
With the default always being governed understandably by price sensitivity Manchester passengers tend to be channelled via other hubs eg Dublin, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt I would have thought MAG would do well to campaign to get these portals to DEFAULT first and foremost to the "Manchester Direct Service" followed by lowest price !
It's a contentious issue, do you offer passengers the direct flight OR channel them via another hub with a what in some cases can result in considerable layover delays.
Whatever the choice I am sure many of these unsuspecting passengers have a clue what they are booking !
Bottom line, there is little point having the FlyLocal campaign if you cannot identify or find a Manchester service if it's effectively buried, maybe MAG would be well advised to alert the travelling public and possibly raise this as an issue or discussion point ? I am sure it would resonate with some consumer groups.
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Gatwick and Heathrow only 'real' options for expansion - Telegraph
er LGW is nearer Paris than most UK cities !
er LGW is nearer Paris than most UK cities !
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So there is absolutely nothing stopping a Chinese carrier flying to MAN if
they really wanted too then, since 2007
they really wanted too then, since 2007
Like I say, Air China have held the rights to 7 weekly MAN-PEK flights since 2007, and according to the CAAC request, they intended to use them from 2009 onwards.
The UK side could be the only issue. There are currently 4 'unused' slots, but that is not to say another carrier has already got those slots but not yet using them.
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MAN vs BHX for China and HKG
China Data
Ticket numbers from MIDT for year to date:
Destination China..Manchester outsells Birmingham 2.5 to 1
Destination Hong Kong..Manchester outsells Birmingham 4.2 to 1
Ticket numbers from MIDT for year to date:
Destination China..Manchester outsells Birmingham 2.5 to 1
Destination Hong Kong..Manchester outsells Birmingham 4.2 to 1
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It was a 767 today, and remains so until December 12th, I understand. Then it's a 757 for the rest of winter before returning to 767 for summer 2014.
Perhaps yesterday's 757 was due to the Thanksgiving holiday?
Perhaps yesterday's 757 was due to the Thanksgiving holiday?
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As promised here is the analysis on China and how it might affect Manchester OR not as the case may be.
Chinese airlines focus on domestic growth while international expansion remains the poor cousin | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
It seems odd that there is a lot of speculation about trade delegations, goodwill visits etc to China by MAG BUT less focus on other areas of marketing which could make a massive difference immediately.
Chinese airlines focus on domestic growth while international expansion remains the poor cousin | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
It seems odd that there is a lot of speculation about trade delegations, goodwill visits etc to China by MAG BUT less focus on other areas of marketing which could make a massive difference immediately.
Stewart Wingate is correct in one sense, but he implies its "either/or" whereas in reality both are required: 2 more rwys at Heathrow NOW and 1 more at Gatwick at some time after 2019.
Given his analysis, he's also right in suggesting that waiting 2 more years for the Commission's final verdict is pointless.
er LGW is nearer Paris than most UK cities !
Like I say, Air China have held the rights to 7 weekly MAN-PEK flights since 2007, and according to the CAAC request, they intended to use them from 2009 onwards.
The UK side could be the only issue. There are currently 4 'unused' slots, but that is not to say another carrier has already got those slots but not yet using them.
The UK side could be the only issue. There are currently 4 'unused' slots, but that is not to say another carrier has already got those slots but not yet using them.
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Quick question chaps ( and chappesses ! )
What's the routing for the following, google and MAN website disagree.
PK709 xyz-MAN-JFK
PK711 xyz-MAN-JFK
Is it Lahore or Karachi? Thanks!
What's the routing for the following, google and MAN website disagree.
PK709 xyz-MAN-JFK
PK711 xyz-MAN-JFK
Is it Lahore or Karachi? Thanks!
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Can you buy tickets for these flights between MAN and JFK?
Also, the MAN-JFK routing is pretty useless, as its only 1 way. Great if you are travel savvy and come back on say AA, but, not so great if you want PK both ways.
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So are the flights half-empty between MAN and JFK, or does nobody get off? Is it really a refuelling stop? And do favourable jetstreams negate the need for this in the other direction?
Pardon my ignorance, but this is very interesting.
Pardon my ignorance, but this is very interesting.
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No non-stop flights allowed by the States between Pakistan and any American airport due to perceived lack of an appropriate level of security screening at Pakistani airports. Going the other way it's no problem.
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By all accounts the flights are quite full on the Pakistan-JFK sector, and very few people use the PAK-MAN sectors.
The flight can be done non-stop as its a B777-200LR, however the Americans insist that an extra security search is done, and PK chose MAN for this.
The flight operates JFK-PAK non-stop on the way back, and the Pakistan-Canada route, which also used to stop at MAN, are now direct both ways, as the Canadians do not require extra checks.
The flight can be done non-stop as its a B777-200LR, however the Americans insist that an extra security search is done, and PK chose MAN for this.
The flight operates JFK-PAK non-stop on the way back, and the Pakistan-Canada route, which also used to stop at MAN, are now direct both ways, as the Canadians do not require extra checks.