Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

MANCHESTER - 9

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 26th Nov 2013, 20:25
  #1501 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: solihull West Midlands
Posts: 967
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ringwayman/ LAX-LHR

Thanks for the update,

So there is absolutely nothing stopping a Chinese carrier flying to MAN if they really wanted too then, since 2007 ?

Nigel
nigel osborne is offline  
Old 27th Nov 2013, 09:42
  #1502 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: uk
Posts: 1,578
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As promised here is the analysis on China and how it might affect Manchester OR not as the case may be.

Chinese airlines focus on domestic growth while international expansion remains the poor cousin | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

It seems odd that there is a lot of speculation about trade delegations, goodwill visits etc to China by MAG BUT less focus on other areas of marketing which could make a massive difference immediately.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You have to be a pretty savvy and jump through hoops to find long haul direct flights from Manchester on some of the price comparison web sites, in fact I am amazed anybody ever finds some of our direct Manchester services.

With the default always being governed understandably by price sensitivity Manchester passengers tend to be channelled via other hubs eg Dublin, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt I would have thought MAG would do well to campaign to get these portals to DEFAULT first and foremost to the "Manchester Direct Service" followed by lowest price !

It's a contentious issue, do you offer passengers the direct flight OR channel them via another hub with a what in some cases can result in considerable layover delays.

Whatever the choice I am sure many of these unsuspecting passengers have a clue what they are booking !

Bottom line, there is little point having the FlyLocal campaign if you cannot identify or find a Manchester service if it's effectively buried, maybe MAG would be well advised to alert the travelling public and possibly raise this as an issue or discussion point ? I am sure it would resonate with some consumer groups.
Bagso is offline  
Old 27th Nov 2013, 10:08
  #1503 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: uk
Posts: 1,578
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Gatwick and Heathrow only 'real' options for expansion - Telegraph


er LGW is nearer Paris than most UK cities !
Bagso is offline  
Old 27th Nov 2013, 18:15
  #1504 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Posts: 2,962
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So there is absolutely nothing stopping a Chinese carrier flying to MAN if
they really wanted too then, since 2007
In theory, not that I know of.

Like I say, Air China have held the rights to 7 weekly MAN-PEK flights since 2007, and according to the CAAC request, they intended to use them from 2009 onwards.

The UK side could be the only issue. There are currently 4 'unused' slots, but that is not to say another carrier has already got those slots but not yet using them.
LAX_LHR is offline  
Old 28th Nov 2013, 12:29
  #1505 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
MAN vs BHX for China and HKG

China Data

Ticket numbers from MIDT for year to date:

Destination China..Manchester outsells Birmingham 2.5 to 1

Destination Hong Kong..Manchester outsells Birmingham 4.2 to 1
110Cornets is offline  
Old 28th Nov 2013, 14:36
  #1506 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: England
Age: 59
Posts: 516
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
.....are those Chinese a bit thick then ?

MM
mickyman is offline  
Old 28th Nov 2013, 20:31
  #1507 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Ainsdale
Posts: 1,747
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Noticed that AA54/55 has been Downgraded back to a 757. I though it was staying a 767 throughout the winter?
MKY661 is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2013, 15:25
  #1508 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manchester, England
Posts: 612
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
AA54/55

It was a 767 today, and remains so until December 12th, I understand. Then it's a 757 for the rest of winter before returning to 767 for summer 2014.

Perhaps yesterday's 757 was due to the Thanksgiving holiday?
roverman is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2013, 15:51
  #1509 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 607
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Always thought the 767 was on AA54/55 to save the 757 losing the Jetstream battle and having to stop at Gander for a top up.
Betablockeruk is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2013, 18:37
  #1510 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Middlesex (under the flightpath)
Posts: 1,946
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As promised here is the analysis on China and how it might affect Manchester OR not as the case may be.

Chinese airlines focus on domestic growth while international expansion remains the poor cousin | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

It seems odd that there is a lot of speculation about trade delegations, goodwill visits etc to China by MAG BUT less focus on other areas of marketing which could make a massive difference immediately.

Looks like China is following the USA/Canada/Russia/India pattern: large countries, long distances, increasing mobility, hence the need for a massive domestic aviation sector.




Stewart Wingate is correct in one sense, but he implies its "either/or" whereas in reality both are required: 2 more rwys at Heathrow NOW and 1 more at Gatwick at some time after 2019.

Given his analysis, he's also right in suggesting that waiting 2 more years for the Commission's final verdict is pointless.


er LGW is nearer Paris than most UK cities !
True, that's why Heathrow is the priority, it's the UK hub and it's accessible. On the other hand, what Gatwick does, it does well. Would expect that Gatwick's expansion will be at Stansted's expense.



Like I say, Air China have held the rights to 7 weekly MAN-PEK flights since 2007, and according to the CAAC request, they intended to use them from 2009 onwards.

The UK side could be the only issue. There are currently 4 'unused' slots, but that is not to say another carrier has already got those slots but not yet using them.
Suspect that as soon as Air China becomes convinced that there's money to be made, it will be there on the Ringway-Peking route. Maybe the world recession/slowdown delayed the proposed 2009 start?

Last edited by Fairdealfrank; 29th Nov 2013 at 18:57.
Fairdealfrank is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2013, 21:46
  #1511 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 42
Posts: 6,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Quick question chaps ( and chappesses ! )

What's the routing for the following, google and MAN website disagree.

PK709 xyz-MAN-JFK
PK711 xyz-MAN-JFK

Is it Lahore or Karachi? Thanks!
Skipness One Echo is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2013, 21:53
  #1512 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Posts: 2,962
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
PK709 is a terminating LHE-MAN-LHE flight.

The JFK flights seem to be:

Mondays:
PK711 LHE-MAN-JFK

Tuesdays:
PK721 KHI-LHE-MAN-JFK

Fridays:
PK711 LHE-MAN-JFK

Hope this helps.
LAX_LHR is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2013, 22:40
  #1513 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 42
Posts: 6,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Awesome thanks !
Skipness One Echo is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2013, 08:19
  #1514 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2,116
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I thought the JFK flights were now going via SNN?
GrahamK is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2013, 08:59
  #1515 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Manchester
Posts: 939
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
no, still through MAN for the time being. Today's PK711 due at 1104.
Ringwayman is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2013, 20:30
  #1516 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Doncaster
Age: 63
Posts: 454
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Can you buy tickets for these flights between MAN and JFK?
johnnychips is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2013, 20:47
  #1517 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Posts: 2,962
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Can you buy tickets for these flights between MAN and JFK?
You used to be able to, but, now you cannot. You can however, book the Pakistan-MAN sectors on the flights.

Also, the MAN-JFK routing is pretty useless, as its only 1 way. Great if you are travel savvy and come back on say AA, but, not so great if you want PK both ways.
LAX_LHR is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2013, 21:17
  #1518 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Doncaster
Age: 63
Posts: 454
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So are the flights half-empty between MAN and JFK, or does nobody get off? Is it really a refuelling stop? And do favourable jetstreams negate the need for this in the other direction?

Pardon my ignorance, but this is very interesting.
johnnychips is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2013, 21:33
  #1519 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Manchester
Posts: 939
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No non-stop flights allowed by the States between Pakistan and any American airport due to perceived lack of an appropriate level of security screening at Pakistani airports. Going the other way it's no problem.
Ringwayman is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2013, 21:38
  #1520 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Posts: 2,962
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
By all accounts the flights are quite full on the Pakistan-JFK sector, and very few people use the PAK-MAN sectors.

The flight can be done non-stop as its a B777-200LR, however the Americans insist that an extra security search is done, and PK chose MAN for this.

The flight operates JFK-PAK non-stop on the way back, and the Pakistan-Canada route, which also used to stop at MAN, are now direct both ways, as the Canadians do not require extra checks.
LAX_LHR is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.