MANCHESTER - 9

[roverman]

MAN-Washington is definitely still served, by United, I'm booked on it in April!

[Mr A Tis]

I guess anothertyke was getting confused with BMI withdrawing the 6 times a week Washington service, but that was 2005 !!!
Washington has been back on with United since May 2012.
The US destinations we have lost are American to Miami, Dallas & Boston. BA to New York, Orlando & Los Angeles.

[anothertyke]

Senior moment re Washington, thanks for putting me right.

[LAX_LHR]

The US destinations we have lost are American to Miami, Dallas & Boston.
BA to New York, Orlando & Los Angeles.

And the good news in that, is that technically, New York and Orlando are not destinations totally lost.
There are still strong suggestions that Miami will be back this winter as a CLT summer MIA winter operation, in a similar fashion to how MIA/BOS used to work.

In other news, the Libyan government have said Manchester and Heathrow routes will resume very soon after the temporary suspension.

[The Royal Family]

SMALL PLANET P7,

Does anyone have any information on Small Planet operations out of MAN this summer 2014. Routes, times etc.
Thanks for your help with this

[viscount702]

SMALL PLANET P7,

Does anyone have any information on Small Planet operations out of MAN this summer 2014. Routes, times etc.
Thanks for your help with this

The answer is five posts back

[The Royal Family]

Thanks Viscount 707? But I think the phrase in that posting that's says it all is; Im not sure where else they are flying

[LAX_LHR]

Does anyone have any information on Small Planet operations out of MAN this summer 2014. Routes, times etc. Thanks for your help with this

From what I can find on Small planet:

P70225 MAN 0830 CHQ 1445
P70226 CHQ 1545 MAN 1825

Tuesdays

P70247 MAN 0800 PVK 1340
P70248 PVK 1430 MAN 1625

Thursdays

P70217 MAN 0800 SKG 1340
P70218 SKG 1430 MAN 1815

P70225 MAN 1800 CFU 2330
P70226 CFU 0015 MAN 0150

Fridays

That's all I can find so far, but with 1 B737 based confirmed, there will sure be other flying somewhere, but, may also be W patterns or positioning to other airports for other flights too.

[nigel osborne]

Does MAEL at Manchester, service Fly Be planes there ?

Nigel

[LAX_LHR]

Does MAEL at Manchester, service Fly Be planes there ?

It does but Im sure they still use the old flybe hangar as its just next door and MAEL hangar is usually quite busy.

[nigel osborne]

Thanks for the info LAX-LHR.

Nigel

[North West]

Well I've read it. As far as I can see it says MAN should have spent more time thumping the tub for its home airport than for STN. CAPA don't begin to make a reasoned case out of that for some sort of max investment at BHX and MAN option.

The context was odd too as it implied one minute that MAG was a loser because the STN deal was predicated on getting a 2nd runway and then immediately went on to question whether MAG should have spent more time promoting MAN over the South East !

Anyway, tub thumping is all well and good if there is an economic case to back it up. Let's be blunt, the main players at MAG aren't provincialsts trying to right the North / South divide. They are businessmen looking to maximise return on capital. Bagso seems aghast that they aren't leaping around with unbridled excitement about Saudi when the reality is 3 x weekly to Saudi or 3 x weekly to Spain with Ryanair is barely indistinguishable when you boil it down to revenue for the airport company. I'd argue that £ per passenger, the Ryanair flights will generate more. So, focusing on growth from Ryanair and Easyjet is an eminently easier and more valuable play than busting a gut through political lobby groups in the hope there are many more Saudi's out there. Getting on for 13 years of 2 runway operations and loads of terminal capacity, tells us there aren't. Market interference is an option but the analysis points to there being more to lose than to gain from such a strategy. Manipulating the market to force airline supply to where the demand originates opens to floodgates on the 50% - 60% of MAN's throughput that originates closer to other Northern airports.

And isn't that the key point here really. An airport developed in Gtr Manchester that handles 14m more passengers a year than the Gtr Manchester catchment actually generates. Ok, the tail fins are 737s and A319s and the departure board is Europe, but so what. It's good at what it does. It makes money. It creates jobs. The management and their investors think they can make the same model work in the South East. Why get in such a huff about it ?

[kieb92]

LAX_LHR, having looked at TCX website for August, there does appear to weekly flights for Evelop to GCRR (EVE3421) and Pegasus to LTAI (PC6461) still loaded. Djerba by Nouvelair has been dropped and replaced by TCX as too does BA Cityflyer.

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[The Royal Family]

Many thanks for the Small Planet info LHR-LAX

[LAX_LHR]

I Kieb

The link you provided is much better than the pages I was looking at. The home page is a pain to navigate.

It seems Evelop to Lanzarote is now high season only.

Pegasus is a full season with a flight number change

BA operates Mahon on 17th and 31st Aug only

Travel service operate a Friday Tenerife as QS2139/2140 on 23rd and 30th May. Evelop also operate on 1st June.

Other than that I can only see a smattering of Monarch flight amongst the TCX ones, as well as Condor of Palma, Ibiza, Fuerteventura (which incidentally has condor rising from 1 weekly to 2 weekly and TCX does not operate at all during peak summer), Zante and Kos.

[j636]

Feb Traffic up 2.57% (Includes Transit) 2.94% without. Everyting increased apart from the 21.89% fall in IT.

http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...February14.pdf

[Suzeman]

Everyting increased apart from the 21.89% fall in IT

You forgot about flown freight...13% down.

Boring boxes it may be but important revenue for the carriers none the less...

And of course aircraft movements; -4% which bring revenue to the airport from the runway charge..

Any significant events last year and this year to explain any of this?

[roverman]

I saw a statistic recently which showed that average number of seats per movement at MAN has grown from 145 in 2006 to 170 this year. That figure, plus better load factors I suspect, might explain the relative reduction in movements compared to pax throughput.

[LAX_LHR]

And of course aircraft movements; -4% which bring revenue to the airport from the runway charge..

Any significant events last year and this year to explain any of this?

The general trend across many UK airports at the moment is that while aircraft movements have gone down, load factors have gone up. While not great for runway charges, it is good news for routes as it gives airlines more chance to make a decent profit and therefore keep the routes and expand.

[Ian Brooks]

Most domestic flights were by aircraft of 50 seats or less and many European were by EMB-145 or CL65 which are operated by Dash 8

Ian