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What MAN needs, is a Gil Thomson for the 21st century to pull all the disparate threads together and really drive a proper inbound tourism and business benefit. I would make the further point that the concept of MAG, as a group, in itself takes focus from Manchester Airport.
And for my chum Bagso, I bow to your superior knowledge on what has been tweeted, facebooked and posted etc as I have no time to monitor such things. Have you tried to send your thoughts to the PR and Marketing people at the airport as it would appear that information for the general public is lacking in some ways?
Marketing Director is Jeff Howarth, so maybe [email protected]
Aviation Development contacts
MAG World - Aviation Contacts
or [email protected]
I'm sure they would appreciate your feedback.
PS - SQ get some publicity for the 21 millionth passenger and shock horror, it got in something other than just the MEN
https://bdaily.co.uk/industrials/27-...-in-six-years/
Manchester Airport welcomes 21 million passengers for first time in six years | Granada - ITV News
Manchester airport reaches passenger number landmark | News | Travel Trade Gazette
Travel & Leisure: Passenger numbers reach six year record - So Cheshire
https://www.facebook.com/manairport
News / Airport toasts fresh passenger number hike THEBUSINESSDESK.COM
Manchester Airport passengers hit 21m for a six-year high - Manchester Evening News
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And for my chum Bagso, I bow to your superior knowledge on what has been tweeted, facebooked and posted etc as I have no time to monitor such things. Have you tried to send your thoughts to the PR and Marketing people at the airport as it would appear that information for the general public is lacking in some ways?
Suzeman
It would be easy to skulk in the shadows and criticize without putting ones head above the parapet. Occasionally, maybe all the time (?) I feel you have to counter prevailing orthodoxy. Cynicism is the enemy of all of us who want something to succeed, in this case Manchester Airport.
If its something that you have a genuine interest in, do you sit back ?, what the hell, does it really matter, personally I prefer activism, and raising a glass to Skipps comment, reinforced by your goodself that is exactly what Gil Thompson was,an activist able to galvanize and bring about collective pressure.
Maybe that is the frustration between then and now....
Maybe I did speak with them, maybe not.
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Suzeman
It would be easy to skulk in the shadows and criticize without putting ones head above the parapet. Occasionally, maybe all the time (?) I feel you have to counter prevailing orthodoxy. Cynicism is the enemy of all of us who want something to succeed, in this case Manchester Airport.
If its something that you have a genuine interest in, do you sit back ?, what the hell, does it really matter, personally I prefer activism, and raising a glass to Skipps comment, reinforced by your goodself that is exactly what Gil Thompson was,an activist able to galvanize and bring about collective pressure.
Maybe that is the frustration between then and now....
Maybe I did speak with them, maybe not.
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Not sure if today is the last day for Cathay Pacific 747's but todays is B-JLA in the Hong Kong World trader livery
May or may not be the last scheduled one so don't count me on it
May or may not be the last scheduled one so don't count me on it
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Yes, today marks the final scheduled Cathay Pacific Cargo service to Manchester according to recent reports. Very sad to lose a service which can be traced all the way back to twice weekly Air Hong Kong Boeing 707's. Hands up if you remember the Hong Kong Bong! At its peak, Manchester often saw three Boeing 747 freighters per day on this service with two in Cathay's own colours and a Dragonair example … all absorbed into Cathay Pacific Cargo these days. Now we can't support two flights per week.
The forthcoming B777 passenger service will (eventually) support decent underfloor cargo uplift, but the fact that Cathay is prepared to let things slide with no cargo offering at all between May and December says it all. They will be like newcomers to the freight market by then. All the established relationships with forwarders defunct, contracts forged with replacement carriers. It must be party time in the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Singapore. End of an era.
The forthcoming B777 passenger service will (eventually) support decent underfloor cargo uplift, but the fact that Cathay is prepared to let things slide with no cargo offering at all between May and December says it all. They will be like newcomers to the freight market by then. All the established relationships with forwarders defunct, contracts forged with replacement carriers. It must be party time in the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Singapore. End of an era.
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The relationship with forwarders has died already, fact is they have been more expensive than the competition for some time. We offered them a guaranteed 7-10,000 kilos per week into China and they were still 50% more.
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Fair point. And of course, many China-originating manufactured products have been shifting further away from Cathay's Hong Kong / Shenzhen / Guangzhou hinterland. Manufacturing centres such as Wuhan and Chongqing have experienced exceptionally strong growth. This business does not naturally gravitate to export via Hong Kong.
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That also is a point to a degree, add in more competition from Mainland carriers like for example Yangtze River Express operating into Amsterdam and offering very attractive rates. However more pertinently is the fact buyers have adjusted lead times to use sea freight and make the major cost savings that involves. There simply isn't at the moment the same amount of cargo flying in, this is not confined to Manchester. Apart of course when they launch a new iphone or games consol when you cant find space for love nor money and that is when we may see the promised ad hoc freighters coming in.
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AA to ORD
There was a posting a couple of weeks back indicating this service was reverting to a B757 early from 19 Aug.
Tried dates late August and September on the AA web site booking section and it still shows a B767. Can anyone clarify?
Any update on the US loads to CLT. Looking at the available seats, there is some evidence the inbound loads are better than the outbound. Not very scientific and I appreciate pax on the first few departures from MAN have to return. I suppose the other aspect is have the CLT flights affected the loads on PHL?
There was a posting a couple of weeks back indicating this service was reverting to a B757 early from 19 Aug.
Tried dates late August and September on the AA web site booking section and it still shows a B767. Can anyone clarify?
Any update on the US loads to CLT. Looking at the available seats, there is some evidence the inbound loads are better than the outbound. Not very scientific and I appreciate pax on the first few departures from MAN have to return. I suppose the other aspect is have the CLT flights affected the loads on PHL?
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The B767 now stays on the Chicago run until at least Wednesday November 5th. However, looking in GDS systems, it currently shows a B757 from 6th November, but, a B767 seating plan throughout winter. Lets hope they keep the B767 on, as there were quite a few last minute upgrades from the B757 to B767 last winter.
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Skipness,
Don't know about the MAN tug, but the lads driving the 747/77W tugs at BHX say in very wet or icy conditions,they would struggle in traction to push and tow an A380 with them.
We therefore have an A380 tug now..no A380s but a tug for one ,which EK requested ,in case they drop an A380 in. They nickname it "The Beast"
Its used each week to push some of our 777s
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Don't know about the MAN tug, but the lads driving the 747/77W tugs at BHX say in very wet or icy conditions,they would struggle in traction to push and tow an A380 with them.
We therefore have an A380 tug now..no A380s but a tug for one ,which EK requested ,in case they drop an A380 in. They nickname it "The Beast"
Its used each week to push some of our 777s
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Apparently PIA are looking at starting a 2 weekly LHE-MAN-LAX-MAN-LHE next year when their next batch of B777's arrive.
Obviously very subject to change given its PIA we are talking about.
Obviously very subject to change given its PIA we are talking about.
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Maybe SpannersatCX can answer this one.
Are CX planning on upping MAN flights already? Was having a browse through GDS to see how the flight was selling, and noticed that Friday and Sunday from April 2015 had direct flights against them, but when clicking on the flight numbers to investigate, both just came up with an error message.
The other 4 flights were loading up and viewable, and the LHR codeshares were also present.
Are CX planning on upping MAN flights already? Was having a browse through GDS to see how the flight was selling, and noticed that Friday and Sunday from April 2015 had direct flights against them, but when clicking on the flight numbers to investigate, both just came up with an error message.
The other 4 flights were loading up and viewable, and the LHR codeshares were also present.
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Interesting point LAX,
From the business flyer perspective, a route needs to be daily - or say 6 days pw - otherwise the route isn't going to get close to its potential.
Much as I welcome the CX route, at its 4pw schedule, it is unlikely to attract much premium traffic.
When you need to be there on a certain day, you are not going to change your schedule (and inconvenience your colleagues) to suit the airline schedule.
Once you've finished your business you want to come home pronto, you're not going to hang around for another day for the non-stop flight.
My recent trips to HKG from MAN have been with EK - upstairs on A380s all the way there and back - a hard act to follow.
A daily non-stop on CX would be a game changer though.
From the business flyer perspective, a route needs to be daily - or say 6 days pw - otherwise the route isn't going to get close to its potential.
Much as I welcome the CX route, at its 4pw schedule, it is unlikely to attract much premium traffic.
When you need to be there on a certain day, you are not going to change your schedule (and inconvenience your colleagues) to suit the airline schedule.
Once you've finished your business you want to come home pronto, you're not going to hang around for another day for the non-stop flight.
My recent trips to HKG from MAN have been with EK - upstairs on A380s all the way there and back - a hard act to follow.
A daily non-stop on CX would be a game changer though.
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I have very little understanding of this, so feel free to tell me I'm completely wrong, however.
What if CX isn't opening this route mainly for pax but rather for cargo? They have flown a lot of cargo flights for a long time, now by opening this route they can still carry it as hold-cargo, but they can also dip their toe into the pax-market and see what the demand looks like. If they can make money on the pax (as well as take some off their middle-east competition) then they will do so, but if not the cargo might be what keeps the route going.
Any thoughts on this reasoning?
What if CX isn't opening this route mainly for pax but rather for cargo? They have flown a lot of cargo flights for a long time, now by opening this route they can still carry it as hold-cargo, but they can also dip their toe into the pax-market and see what the demand looks like. If they can make money on the pax (as well as take some off their middle-east competition) then they will do so, but if not the cargo might be what keeps the route going.
Any thoughts on this reasoning?
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Don't know (or pretend to know) the politics with regard pax/freight, the freighter schedule although suspended! is still available on an ad-hoc basis. Mainly for outsized stuff, I understand we've finally slashed our prices, too late for most though. Very much shot themselves in the foot on that one.
I think it's more to do with the pilots and where the company wants them, i.e. HKG, as it is cheaper.
My understanding is that the pax flts are selling very well indeed, bookings are strong both up front and down the back. It is one of those that if it does well then you would most likely see an increase in flts, eventually to daily, I don't know at this time. I've been informed, as I say, that advance bookings are very good, so maybe come summer 15 it may well be daily, but once it is it has to be sustained. It's all about supply and demand and yields of course.
I think it's more to do with the pilots and where the company wants them, i.e. HKG, as it is cheaper.
My understanding is that the pax flts are selling very well indeed, bookings are strong both up front and down the back. It is one of those that if it does well then you would most likely see an increase in flts, eventually to daily, I don't know at this time. I've been informed, as I say, that advance bookings are very good, so maybe come summer 15 it may well be daily, but once it is it has to be sustained. It's all about supply and demand and yields of course.