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Don't expect a sensible answer from him, he's probably still trying to work out how not to announce the new operator that the news agencies are already writing about.
Surely Timmy, your contacts at Peel or Doncaster Free Press haven't left you out?
Don't expect a sensible answer from him, he's probably still trying to work out how not to announce the new operator that the news agencies are already writing about.
Surely Timmy, your contacts at Peel or Doncaster Free Press haven't left you out?
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You lot are fond of jumping on Timmy at every opportunity but he is right the passenger numbers year on year are down a further -4% to 688198,which includes the slight increase for September .So the figure of 720000 is indeed wrong.
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Jumpseater.. There is no new operator??.
Who has reported this ?.
The September figures show a small increase but down on 2011. Still an increase is better than recent stats and if next season it can continue then there may be some growth.
That being said naysayers comments aside the link road will do much to improve the area in general.
As a region we should be glad to see investment that can bring jobs and and to the economy.
As will the railport that is coming. Im not sure if the latter is being helped by Network Rail's new flyover. (Perhaps someone can clarify).
As for if the airport can gain from all of the above remains to be seen, But I fail to see how potential frieght operators wouldnt make some use of the infrastructure both the airport and railport will provide.
Who has reported this ?.
The September figures show a small increase but down on 2011. Still an increase is better than recent stats and if next season it can continue then there may be some growth.
That being said naysayers comments aside the link road will do much to improve the area in general.
As a region we should be glad to see investment that can bring jobs and and to the economy.
As will the railport that is coming. Im not sure if the latter is being helped by Network Rail's new flyover. (Perhaps someone can clarify).
As for if the airport can gain from all of the above remains to be seen, But I fail to see how potential frieght operators wouldnt make some use of the infrastructure both the airport and railport will provide.
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I suspect I did ! but its an Oil pollution operator 2Excel with two B727s based with you. Good catch for you but not a lot of movements and no passengers I am afraid. Never the less its more revenue and nearly as good as the Vulcan.
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First one is ready and painted G-OSRA and according to the advert for crew I am applying for [ I was B727 rated in the past when Dan-Air had them ] they are to be based at Robin Hood. So we will all have to wait for an official announcement.
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727 flying to/from the UK ? In 2013/2014 ? Really ?
727 flying to/from the UK ? In 2013/2014 ? Really ?
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Good luck, been a while since I messed around with 72's too.
Re the announcement see Reuters
First oil-dispersing jet aircraft to launch in December | Reuters
Perhaps they forgot to add Doncaster Free Press ....
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They have cut one destination from Lbia this winter and I believe another next summer so its not just at Doncaster. We have lost a lot of destinations from Lbia recently with Jet 2 and Ryanair. They have to make money on the flights or they have to go I am afraid.
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So its not a proper operator in terms if big revenue. Unless Theres someone ekse in the wings.
Hypothetically which airline might work. Where to and why abd I open that to suggestions.
A friendly request for a lighthearted straw poll.
Parhaps those of you in the know could suggest a poss viable passenger route be it domestic european shorthaul or freight.
Im interested in any ideas. Also feel free to suggest some for huy.
I ask because by and large which ever air line your told it wont work.
Well humour me. If there are any pilots in this section that could give ideas and opnions.
Just a sensible abuse free thread.
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Hypothetically which airline might work. Where to and why abd I open that to suggestions.
A friendly request for a lighthearted straw poll.
Parhaps those of you in the know could suggest a poss viable passenger route be it domestic european shorthaul or freight.
Im interested in any ideas. Also feel free to suggest some for huy.
I ask because by and large which ever air line your told it wont work.
Well humour me. If there are any pilots in this section that could give ideas and opnions.
Just a sensible abuse free thread.
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New potential passenger route from Doncaster ? My suggestion would be Bucharest with Wizzair using an A320, perhaps 3x per week.
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Funnily enough I suggested that and was setup on here being humiliated by a minority on here who redicule evey post and make you feel bad for even mentioning like they are desperate to see it fail.
That being said With Dtv looking Grim perhaps we would be lucky enough to inherit there two main routes. Amsterdam and Aberdeen.
I still think Amsterdam wiuld be Good and the Airport forecast v good nunbers for aberdeen.
Id like to see checz and hungry as well as deztinations to Edinburgh, Inverness, Belfast , Dublin, Knock , Cork. Romanian destinations.
And year round charters to The Faroes and Iceland.
Flights to Oslo. Compenhagen.
Itally.
And ultimately Dubai and New York/Orlando.
Some I grant you are pie in the Sky.
And also A small Ac max size Emb170 Doing LCY-DSA.
Lcy is a great location. Free slots and im not sure on travel time but gotta be vianle for transit.
Finally Tnt and Dhl.coming in with an aircraft each. Feed that europort.
And do something with that dreadful terminal.
As despite my support for Dsa id fly From Huy. Its almost as near as Dsa. Its a pleasant little airport . Easy to get to and has many options.
If they Did Dublin. Edinbugh. Frankfurt and Inverness (for tourists ).
It would win over Dsa hands Down
That being said With Dtv looking Grim perhaps we would be lucky enough to inherit there two main routes. Amsterdam and Aberdeen.
I still think Amsterdam wiuld be Good and the Airport forecast v good nunbers for aberdeen.
Id like to see checz and hungry as well as deztinations to Edinburgh, Inverness, Belfast , Dublin, Knock , Cork. Romanian destinations.
And year round charters to The Faroes and Iceland.
Flights to Oslo. Compenhagen.
Itally.
And ultimately Dubai and New York/Orlando.
Some I grant you are pie in the Sky.
And also A small Ac max size Emb170 Doing LCY-DSA.
Lcy is a great location. Free slots and im not sure on travel time but gotta be vianle for transit.
Finally Tnt and Dhl.coming in with an aircraft each. Feed that europort.
And do something with that dreadful terminal.
As despite my support for Dsa id fly From Huy. Its almost as near as Dsa. Its a pleasant little airport . Easy to get to and has many options.
If they Did Dublin. Edinbugh. Frankfurt and Inverness (for tourists ).
It would win over Dsa hands Down
Onyx - please do something about the spell check, grammar, punctuation and capitalisation. Would make your posts so much easier to read...
There were a number of routes you suggested - here are my thoughts:
- Amsterdam and Aberdeen due to DTV closure - surely Newcastle and Leeds would inherit the spoils ? If Aberdeen or Amsterdam open at DSA, it has to be on its own merits and not because of a closure elsewhere.
- Edinburgh / London - no chance, the train service from Doncaster is just too fast and frequent in comparison. BA have recently opened Leeds-Heathrow for connectivity and Cityjet have plenty of bigger issues to deal with than thinking about a route to DSA
- Inverness - would guess that Leeds is more likely
- Copenhagen - unlikely at DSA any time soon as SAS have picked Humberside.
- Oslo - why would it work at DSA if it doesn't exist at Newcastle ?
- Iceland - this is an expensive country and will need a wealthy population if relying on Brits visiting Iceland on holiday. Probably not enough cash floating around Sheffield for the time being. Leeds is a stronger candidate.
- Romania - aim for Bucharest first and get good passenger numbers. Until then, places like Timisoara or Cluj are most unlikely.
- Faeroes - right now to the UK can only manage a seasonal route to Gatwick. If anything, Manchester or Scotland would come way before DSA
- Dubai, NYC or Orlando - I guess without dreamers, the world would be a poorer place.
- Italy - could perhaps see a charter to Verona / the Italian lakes or Naples working
- Czech / Hungary - these 2 countries are now wealthier than they were 10 years ago. Is there enough money and are there enough jobs in Yorkshire to attract the Czechs and Hungarians any more ?
- TNT / DHL - why would either company use DSA to a significant degree when there's a large cargo airport at East Midlands ?
There were a number of routes you suggested - here are my thoughts:
- Amsterdam and Aberdeen due to DTV closure - surely Newcastle and Leeds would inherit the spoils ? If Aberdeen or Amsterdam open at DSA, it has to be on its own merits and not because of a closure elsewhere.
- Edinburgh / London - no chance, the train service from Doncaster is just too fast and frequent in comparison. BA have recently opened Leeds-Heathrow for connectivity and Cityjet have plenty of bigger issues to deal with than thinking about a route to DSA
- Inverness - would guess that Leeds is more likely
- Copenhagen - unlikely at DSA any time soon as SAS have picked Humberside.
- Oslo - why would it work at DSA if it doesn't exist at Newcastle ?
- Iceland - this is an expensive country and will need a wealthy population if relying on Brits visiting Iceland on holiday. Probably not enough cash floating around Sheffield for the time being. Leeds is a stronger candidate.
- Romania - aim for Bucharest first and get good passenger numbers. Until then, places like Timisoara or Cluj are most unlikely.
- Faeroes - right now to the UK can only manage a seasonal route to Gatwick. If anything, Manchester or Scotland would come way before DSA
- Dubai, NYC or Orlando - I guess without dreamers, the world would be a poorer place.
- Italy - could perhaps see a charter to Verona / the Italian lakes or Naples working
- Czech / Hungary - these 2 countries are now wealthier than they were 10 years ago. Is there enough money and are there enough jobs in Yorkshire to attract the Czechs and Hungarians any more ?
- TNT / DHL - why would either company use DSA to a significant degree when there's a large cargo airport at East Midlands ?
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The point to bear in mind is Robin Hood may never get the passenger numbers you would like, as other airport around you seem to have got the market tied up. They have had commercial operations a lot longer and developed them. However it can grow and prosper with these niche operations and at least it might mean it stays open for the passenger flights you have.
The point to bear in mind is Robin Hood may never get the passenger numbers you would like, as other airport around you seem to have got the market tied up. They have had commercial operations a lot longer and developed them. However it can grow and prosper with these niche operations and at least it might mean it stays open for the passenger flights you have.
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I think from what has been written, pretty much sums up there is no chance of any new routes at DSA.
If there was, why are they not happening, just more routes being cut.
Next year will be quieter still, with less Thomson routes, it will probably see a dip to less than 600k per year.
Peel will continue putting a positive spin on everything rather than address the real issues.
If there was, why are they not happening, just more routes being cut.
Next year will be quieter still, with less Thomson routes, it will probably see a dip to less than 600k per year.
Peel will continue putting a positive spin on everything rather than address the real issues.
TimmyW - I think for someone who claims to be a supporter of DSA, you are remarkably negative in your comments. onyx has come up with suggested routes - I do not agree many of them, but there are most definitely some possibilities hidden in there. I had not even considered Italy before onyx suggested it - following his/her comment I can see a couple of weekly charter routes being plausible.
New routes can be created at DSA in time - it's a fallacy to twist the words of others into claiming otherwise.
Perhaps you could tell us your own suggestions as to what Peel should be doing at DSA to address the real issues ?
New routes can be created at DSA in time - it's a fallacy to twist the words of others into claiming otherwise.
Peel will continue putting a positive spin on everything rather than address the real issues.
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You all make a fair point. Apologies for my punctuation.
However it's not unreasonable no ask the question. If Huy can bring in a few new routes with a much snaller site. Less stand and apron and shorter runway. Why are Dsa struggling
However it's not unreasonable no ask the question. If Huy can bring in a few new routes with a much snaller site. Less stand and apron and shorter runway. Why are Dsa struggling
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They could always follow CWLs lead and try to entice Vueling to operate BCN, PMI, IBZ, ALC and AGP? All those on a 2 x weekly summer schedule would do okay I'd have thought?
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Fair point -enticing the likes of Vueling however TOM already operate these routes and the demand seems to be static or even going down as TOM based 3 or more aircraft at DSA in the past but now only 2. In contrast TOM pulled out of Leeds and opened up at DSA but now a few years on Leeds has a based TOM aircraft and DSA is down to only 2, and with very little competion. On the other hand TOM are up against Jet2 and Monarch at Leeds so the question is again -- where is the demand for more routes - DSA or LBA (or HUY, EMA, MAN) If you were starting up where would you go?