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Albert Hall - Well if true you do make a convincing arguement. They could at least try and link their big bases like Southampton, Birmingham, Belfast etc to their new 'venture' in Scandinavia!
Burport - "Oh and now we have HS2!" Either you don't read the news or you just look at the headlines. First of all it has not even been given the full go ahead yet, secondly it will not be with us for 10 years and thats if the countless villages it will run through don't throw numerous spanners in the work (which they are already doing), thirdly you can't rule out a change of government and then scrapping, lastly and maybe most importantly taking the train is sometimes just as expensive as a plane and last time I checked France and Spain have fast trains yet an even bigger air regional network then ours!
Burport - "Oh and now we have HS2!" Either you don't read the news or you just look at the headlines. First of all it has not even been given the full go ahead yet, secondly it will not be with us for 10 years and thats if the countless villages it will run through don't throw numerous spanners in the work (which they are already doing), thirdly you can't rule out a change of government and then scrapping, lastly and maybe most importantly taking the train is sometimes just as expensive as a plane and last time I checked France and Spain have fast trains yet an even bigger air regional network then ours!
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They could at least try and link their big bases like Southampton, Birmingham, Belfast etc to their new 'venture' in Scandinavia!
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Fair point! However if the average pax can go BHX-EDI in hour and a half/two hours. Its faster than by air as you jump on jump off no security/check in hassle, plus I presume city centre. With an increase in capacity prices may fall to a fair level, where as Aviation seems to attract more and more crazy tax and legislation so its a matter of time till Domestic air travel will be unviable in both time and cost.
I agree France and Germany have a huge HS system, the distances between major cities however tend to be a lot further, hence air travel is faster for those who time is money.
Where as for example Manchester to almost any major uk city is not going to exceed 3 hours. If you start your journey in central Manchester for a one hour flight, when you factor in getting to/from the airport check in/security etc, then travel from destination airport to city centre its easily going to exceed 3 hours! Hence HS2 if it happens will have a huge impact on domestic aviation.
I agree France and Germany have a huge HS system, the distances between major cities however tend to be a lot further, hence air travel is faster for those who time is money.
Where as for example Manchester to almost any major uk city is not going to exceed 3 hours. If you start your journey in central Manchester for a one hour flight, when you factor in getting to/from the airport check in/security etc, then travel from destination airport to city centre its easily going to exceed 3 hours! Hence HS2 if it happens will have a huge impact on domestic aviation.
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Burpbot - All good points, I guess it could spell the end to London Birmingham. Although when you look at it on a map, such a route is probably better served by rail given the distance. Doubt it would effect Manchester though, the Eurostar hasn't stopped flights to Paris. Plus train tickets are going up above inflation, this month they did again!
Cyrano - Not really too clued up on the Belfast Market so maybe your right. Southampton and Birmingham would be worth a shot, even just to fill a sector each day.
Cyrano - Not really too clued up on the Belfast Market so maybe your right. Southampton and Birmingham would be worth a shot, even just to fill a sector each day.
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Point been HS2 would make MAN-LHR same travel as BHX-LHR is now! Hence impact regional airlines. Be under no illusion LHR will NEVER allow traffic to leak to BHX or others for extra capcity!
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Eurostar has in fact had a massive impact on London - Paris flights. LHR-CDG was dropped years ago by BD, and the A319 most frequently used on the route is a far cry from the 767's which have been known to operate it in the past, pre tunnel.
Additionally, LCY-CDG no longer exists, and LCY-ORY is one of CityJet's poorest performing routes and only kept as a F50 instead of the former RJ's because of AF determination.
Eurostar has in fact had a massive impact on London - Paris flights. LHR-CDG was dropped years ago by BD, and the A319 most frequently used on the route is a far cry from the 767's which have been known to operate it in the past, pre tunnel.
Additionally, LCY-CDG no longer exists, and LCY-ORY is one of CityJet's poorest performing routes and only kept as a F50 instead of the former RJ's because of AF determination.
New Summer Saturday services announced today between NWI-SOU and NWI-IOM. Looks like it will use the a/c (Dornier) that will run the MAN and EXT flights during the week.
News release at Flybe.com Flybe | Corporate | Media | News archives
News release at Flybe.com Flybe | Corporate | Media | News archives
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Burpbot - Good point, guess it will free up extra slots for those Chinese routes they bang on about!
Wycombe - Thats true, although it is probably good that such a route is spread over train, plane and ferry. Plus the people who fly fron Lcy can probably afford the Eurostar!
Good to hear about the Norwich routes, be interesting to see how they do. Incidently, will the Dornier be painted in Flybe colours? If so is Flybe the airline that has had the most regional aircraft in its own colours?
Wycombe - Thats true, although it is probably good that such a route is spread over train, plane and ferry. Plus the people who fly fron Lcy can probably afford the Eurostar!
Good to hear about the Norwich routes, be interesting to see how they do. Incidently, will the Dornier be painted in Flybe colours? If so is Flybe the airline that has had the most regional aircraft in its own colours?
Incidently, will the Dornier be painted in Flybe colours? If so is Flybe the airline that has had the most regional aircraft in its own colours?
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New Routes
Another forum quoting ATI states six new routes to be announced.
BHX-Waterford at daily
Leeds - Knock three a week from 5/5/12
Newcastle - Bergen three a week 25th March
Newcastle - Newquay once a week 5/5/12 same for BHD-NQY
Southampton - TUF (Tours) two a week from 16/5/12
I assume press release tomorrow.
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BHX-Waterford at daily
Leeds - Knock three a week from 5/5/12
Newcastle - Bergen three a week 25th March
Newcastle - Newquay once a week 5/5/12 same for BHD-NQY
Southampton - TUF (Tours) two a week from 16/5/12
I assume press release tomorrow.
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BHX-Waterford at daily
I would say yes on a Q400 - then again, Flybe have been rolling around in bed quite a bit recently with Loganair. Maybe they will operate it in between the DND so a 34seater, maybe daily would be ok. Who knows....
Is that not a little to much for the route.
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Newcastle - Newquay once a week 5/5/12 same for BHD-NQY
Fingers crossed some other routes are in the pipeline for NQY, im especially surprised that BE havnt looked at a JER route and its also a shame that the MAN route hasnt been increased in frequency, considering SZ ran the route 2x daily
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