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Ahh, well spotted TonyQ - there were talks a while ago about a group of Scottish investors wishing to set up a 'Scottish airline' - maybe they have created a consortium and there lies the UK bidder. Who knows, will be interesting to see who it is once announced though
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Re: HS2 - it will be a long time before that has a serious impact on Flybe. Phase 1 will have diddly squat impact, Phase 2 might have some impact on London to Liverpool and Leeds routes. Oh, hang on a minute, they have already gone! By then, there might be a saving of 45 mins on London to Scotland - much less so on the BHX & MAN to Scotland routes BE are involved in.
I think the challenge to BE on domestic sectors comes much more from high fuel prices and the double dose of APD.
As for Scandinavia, I think it is a legitimate question, asked before, about whether or not routes such as ARN & OSL in particular would be viable, especially from BHX, especially in a slightly smaller (compared to the 195) E175.
However, just because an airline has operations in two places, that does not automatically mean they should be linked - that logic would also suggest BHX should have a MAD route from FR - another that BE may have also looked at, which 'should' be served from BHX.
I have followed BE's progress for a while, and previously met Mr Rutter, who suggested chargine for toilets about 2 years before MOL did!
However, I've been more out of the loop of late, I take it he has gone elsewhere?
I think the challenge to BE on domestic sectors comes much more from high fuel prices and the double dose of APD.
As for Scandinavia, I think it is a legitimate question, asked before, about whether or not routes such as ARN & OSL in particular would be viable, especially from BHX, especially in a slightly smaller (compared to the 195) E175.
However, just because an airline has operations in two places, that does not automatically mean they should be linked - that logic would also suggest BHX should have a MAD route from FR - another that BE may have also looked at, which 'should' be served from BHX.
I have followed BE's progress for a while, and previously met Mr Rutter, who suggested chargine for toilets about 2 years before MOL did!
However, I've been more out of the loop of late, I take it he has gone elsewhere?
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Just to follow on from Tonyq's post, it also says that the UK Investor group interested has previous links with the business. This could mean anything but just to kick off the rumour mill again, didnt Flybe sell some of the Embraers to BMI Regional? This in my eyes would be a business link.
Then again I guess this Scottish group could have previous employees of BMI Regional at various levels.
Then again I guess this Scottish group could have previous employees of BMI Regional at various levels.
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MR is actually MD of Flybe Europe, so if there's any more acquisitions in the future from Europe they will fall under his jurisdiction.
MR is actually MD of Flybe Europe, so if there's any more acquisitions in the future from Europe they will fall under his jurisdiction.
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Just to follow on from Tonyq's post, it also says that the UK Investor group interested has previous links with the business. This could mean anything but just to kick off the rumour mill again, didnt Flybe sell some of the Embraers to BMI Regional? This in my eyes would be a business link.
Then again I guess this Scottish group could have previous employees of BMI Regional at various levels.
Then again I guess this Scottish group could have previous employees of BMI Regional at various levels.
Thus nothing to do with flyBE, whom I'm pretty sure would not like another set of Embraers to have to dispose of, and anyway, why would they want to buy bmi regional? They don't need the bmi regional brand or cost structure(!) to enter the routes themselves anyway. What would bmi regional bring for flyBE?If you are going to start a rumour, be a good chap and at least try to start a credible one rather than one that's been repeatedly taken out and shot already.
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Oh crawl back to your little box Cyrano - if you care to read the threads in as much detail as your posts then you will see the seed of rumour had already been planted. My post was just some lighthearted chit chat.
I dont want another load of E145s to contend with, they were a flippin nightmare back in the BAcon days so rest assured I aint trying to convince anyone. Any additions to the current fleet would be great for the shareholders I am sure, but not neccesarily for all those doing the day to day work.
Besides this is a rumour forum and often contain a load of unsupported, unresearched crud. Hopefully your little rant has calmed you down now
I dont want another load of E145s to contend with, they were a flippin nightmare back in the BAcon days so rest assured I aint trying to convince anyone. Any additions to the current fleet would be great for the shareholders I am sure, but not neccesarily for all those doing the day to day work.
Besides this is a rumour forum and often contain a load of unsupported, unresearched crud. Hopefully your little rant has calmed you down now
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Sorry if I didn't express myself well - I wasn't really setting out to have a go at you. My point is just that the flyBE/bmi regional rumour has been done to death over on the other thread and doesn't seem to have much credibility left.
I think we agree on the desirability of more Embraers coming into the fleet (!) although I would suggest that even the flyBE shareholders would not welcome a bmi regional acquisition.
Hopefully, and particularly for the sake of those directly affected, the uncertainty will come to an end soon, and hopefully in a positive way.
Sorry if I didn't express myself well - I wasn't really setting out to have a go at you. My point is just that the flyBE/bmi regional rumour has been done to death over on the other thread and doesn't seem to have much credibility left.
I think we agree on the desirability of more Embraers coming into the fleet (!) although I would suggest that even the flyBE shareholders would not welcome a bmi regional acquisition.
Hopefully, and particularly for the sake of those directly affected, the uncertainty will come to an end soon, and hopefully in a positive way.
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Put your handbags away girls 
. The whole bmi regional thread has been done to death. If LH can't make money from it then no one will. They are esentially trying to flog a dead donkey, likewise with baby. Who ever is going to take a punt is going to need to replace the fleet, LH clearly didn't have deep enough pockets to do so but good luck to 'Granite'. Bit of competition is always good but doubt flybe see them as enough of a threat to pay to eliminate them.
. The whole bmi regional thread has been done to death. If LH can't make money from it then no one will. They are esentially trying to flog a dead donkey, likewise with baby. Who ever is going to take a punt is going to need to replace the fleet, LH clearly didn't have deep enough pockets to do so but good luck to 'Granite'. Bit of competition is always good but doubt flybe see them as enough of a threat to pay to eliminate them.
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This airline needs new fresh managerial blood to move forward. Jim needs to move aside and let new blood in or maybe he should have cashed in before the shares slumped 
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That would be interesting as this aircraft does IOM-SOU-BRU-SOU-IOM.
Unless they are dropping the SOU-BRU as well, they will have to get another aircraft to do this part of the leg
Unless they are dropping the SOU-BRU as well, they will have to get another aircraft to do this part of the leg
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Peer pressure dictates a removal of my previous post.
Ok, so the rumour is that we're going to do a wet lease somewhere. Probably in Europe.
Probably using the Q400.
It's for an unknown duration.
Routes include operating from an airport in Europe, and flying to other airports in Europe.
...and it's still a rumour.
And WingoWango and Chopper, it might be worth pointing out that indeed there was an entire thread relating to company sensitive information, it wasn't that long ago hundreds of posts appearing regarding Industrial Action, and the rumours regarding delays in E-Jet deliveries.
The whole point of pprune is to discuss rumours, substantiated or not. And if I thought I had so much influence over what goes on a head office within Flybe I certainly wouldn't read this forum, let alone make a post.
So in the spirit of a rumour network, can't we just discuss a rumour? Unless of course, WingoWango you know something different?
Ok, so the rumour is that we're going to do a wet lease somewhere. Probably in Europe.
Probably using the Q400.
It's for an unknown duration.
Routes include operating from an airport in Europe, and flying to other airports in Europe.
...and it's still a rumour.
And WingoWango and Chopper, it might be worth pointing out that indeed there was an entire thread relating to company sensitive information, it wasn't that long ago hundreds of posts appearing regarding Industrial Action, and the rumours regarding delays in E-Jet deliveries.
The whole point of pprune is to discuss rumours, substantiated or not. And if I thought I had so much influence over what goes on a head office within Flybe I certainly wouldn't read this forum, let alone make a post.
So in the spirit of a rumour network, can't we just discuss a rumour? Unless of course, WingoWango you know something different?
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I'm all up for hearing & talking about a good rumour. However this subject is very commercially sensitive and openly talking about it in the public domain could possibly jeopardise the contract! As Wingo said, we are all aware of what happened with the Olympic contract. Lets keep this kind of chat to flyingbe! It could be our bridge over the next recession.
I'm all up for hearing & talking about a good rumour. However this subject is very commercially sensitive and openly talking about it in the public domain could possibly jeopardise the contract! As Wingo said, we are all aware of what happened with the Olympic contract. Lets keep this kind of chat to flyingbe! It could be our bridge over the next recession.
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I sincerely doubt that little 'ol me will be jeopardising anything.
And let's not compare anything to any previous deals with other airlines, particularly those in countries that can't meet financial obligations and are helping to bring down the EU.
But point taken.
Let's move on to more sensible rumours...
So what's this I hear about Flybe resurrecting Concorde on it's flagship IOM-LPL routes?
And let's not compare anything to any previous deals with other airlines, particularly those in countries that can't meet financial obligations and are helping to bring down the EU.
But point taken.
Let's move on to more sensible rumours...
So what's this I hear about Flybe resurrecting Concorde on it's flagship IOM-LPL routes?
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If this isn't a rumour, it should be.
WestJet workers vote for regional airline - thestar.com
If Westjet want to launch in 2013, I'm sure BE could provide a few a/c and crews.
WestJet workers vote for regional airline - thestar.com
If Westjet want to launch in 2013, I'm sure BE could provide a few a/c and crews.