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I get the feeling after talking to some of the guys at LTN that they are becoming resigned to not having the 787 for the start of the summer season.
£10 does seem a little cheeky!
£10 does seem a little cheeky!
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I doubt it. I don't even think Boeing has any idea what is going on.
I think Thomson are just going along with the assumption that the Dreamliner will be ready in time and have contingencies in place for if it isn't.
I think Thomson are just going along with the assumption that the Dreamliner will be ready in time and have contingencies in place for if it isn't.
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contingency plans are in place but its a waiting game from boeing, customers if down graded from 787 will get refunded the difference & also a goodwill gesture and will fly on a 767, and do bare in mind under the T & C's any airline at anytime can substitute an a/c type or carrier, so whatever they offer it will above and beyond what they are legally oblidged to do after all its not actually Thomsons fault!!!
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
Can Thomson's own 757 reach SFB?
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contingency plans are in place but its a waiting game from boeing
Very unfortunate for those who have booked specifically to travel on the B787 but I'm sure most will understand that the circumstances are beyond the control of Thomson.
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The 757 being used on SFB would be a very last resort, but you try subbing in a wide body a/c or 2 in the current economic climate!! basically the days of Air Atlanta/ATA etc are long gone very few airlines have aircraft available for short term work & until Boeing give a more accurate timeline for the 787 Thomson will work on a month by month basis, the full l/h programme doesn't kick in until June & their sister companies in Europe should have some spare capacity to help out in May/June as they have a much shorter season. A lot of this speculation really doesn't help, Thomson customers have booked a holiday which includes the flight & am confident that's exactly what will happen and will offer the best available alternative (in the current market) that is available. Only 2 of the 4 787 were planned to operate l/h this summer to allow more pilot training on s/h so the impact may be a lot less than people think.
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So latest is Thomson say if the 787 wont be on the line in time, the boooked passengers will get £10 and will fly on a 767. well I doubt it would be a new build 767 more likely, if all their own 767 capacity is spoke for, they may have to maybe outsorurce to another 767 operator, either way it proably will be a 767 of about 20 year old vintage, maybe much older if they look for another 767 charter carrier to fulfill the flights. I think Thomson should not have placed such emphasis on the 787 flights, doing the publicity leaflets telling holidaymakers to book for a 787 flight especially was making a rod for their own back. Although of course all tour ops/charters rserve the right to substitute alternate aircraft, I dont think in this case an ageing 767 will go down well with some of the pax. Many indeed may have little regrd for the equipment for their holiday but I feel these flights may well be different, after all Thomsons had made such a song and dance about offering 787 departures, seperate leflets in brochures etc, that many more than on your average holiday flight, people will nt be fooled by an older aircraft, they will wonder where all the curved bins and pink lighting have gone! either way, a £10 refund, or could it even be, if they are cheeky a £10 voucher offering £10 off their next Thomson holiday or even worse £10 off any duty free purchase over the amount of £35!!!
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With respect to your opinion Peach I do not see why Thomson would not make such a song and dance about the 787, all companies taking delivery of new jets always do. After all being four years late, the jet had finally been certified, airlines were flying and taking delivery of the Dreamliner and the Thomson 787s were finally about to see reality. As far as the holiday company knew everything was now ok. The current grounding could never have been foreseen by the company and I guarantee they will be as disapointed and frustrated as you and many others as it really is out of their hands.
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Yes Im sure Thomson are dissapointed and frustrated with the possible delays, as they have an upcoming programme of flying which was specifically marketed as '787 holidays'. if Thomson can use their own 763s that maybe the best option but Im just a little concerend if they used other airlines even older 763s, or even 762s, I do recall Thomson even in very recent years, using Portugese and Icelandic airlines using 743s and even not so long ago L1011s, I think Thomson ought to think carefully that many of the holidaymakers booked on the initial 787 holidays may have been influenced in their choice of holiday and holiday company by the chance to fly on the new 787 so the least they should do is try to ensure, if possible, that any substitute aircraft is a newer build aircraft. Certainly the 757 would be a last resort I would imagine for Thomson.
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Just as long as it is on time, I am in my premium seat and does not stop for fuel, I will be happy (for both flights).
The problem now for Thomson and all other airlines in the short term, is the public lack of confidence in the 787.
The problem now for Thomson and all other airlines in the short term, is the public lack of confidence in the 787.
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The problem now for Thomson and all other airlines in the short term, is the public lack of confidence in the 787.
The first group of people to be convinced are the flight crews.
It's just some enthusiast stirring up rumor and gossip that gets holiday makers in a panic.
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The remaining 757's I believe are going through refresh at present with aircraft rotating through Norwich usually from BHX. Another one came back last week looking very nice on the outside.
I assume they are all coming back with 221 seats and a shiny new paint.
I have lost track of how many have been through the process.
Also are the 757's still ETOP's for Transatlantic purposes and how long would mods take if they were required to do that?
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I assume they are all coming back with 221 seats and a shiny new paint.
I have lost track of how many have been through the process.
Also are the 757's still ETOP's for Transatlantic purposes and how long would mods take if they were required to do that?
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A long haul trip on a 757 wouldn't be bad if they took out a few rows of seats.
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I still think Thomsons customers, in their collective wisdom would still be able to spot the difference between travelling in an old Titan 767 or worse one of thomsons old 757s, from travelling in a state of the art dreamliner!