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RE CAPETOWN Route: In a word, No. They were looking at it before a number of years ago but I think in the current climate they are 'circling the wagons' for the time being on long haul until the market improves globally.
Rumour has it that San Fran and DC are to be removed by Winter schedule at the latest due to unsatisfactory loads.
Rumour has it that San Fran and DC are to be removed by Winter schedule at the latest due to unsatisfactory loads.
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Damn right IRISH LIONS TOUR 09
No problem we will qualify,the italians are a shadow of there former greatness , and as for italian rugby..................well i wont go there out of respect !
No problem we will qualify,the italians are a shadow of there former greatness , and as for italian rugby..................well i wont go there out of respect !
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It makes you wonder.
Aer Lingus have the monopoly of longhaul out of Dublin, and they are reducing it??
Surely any decent management would clean up there, Im sure O Leary would given the chance.
Why don't they concentrate on their strengths rather than following other peoples models?
Aer Lingus have the monopoly of longhaul out of Dublin, and they are reducing it??
Surely any decent management would clean up there, Im sure O Leary would given the chance.
Why don't they concentrate on their strengths rather than following other peoples models?
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itsajob. sadly I think there are too many problems in EI - industrial relations, FR takeovers, no CX and pissing money 
- for them to concentrate on their 'monopoly' on their long haul to San Fran and DC. However, if you can't put bums on seats there's no other option but to withdraw from the route whether it be temporarily or permanently and particularly when you've got economic meltdown everywhere. Best they concentrate on their JFK, BOS and ORD and perhaps MCO routes which have lots of bums on seats and are reliable ...... or at least that's what's been said.
Management need to seriously clean up their act and lead by example and not be giving themselves buy/pay-offs of millions in the event of resignation or FR takeovers
. God knows what's going on there but they've been dragging their feet for way too long. I do wonder though what's next for their long haul effort when they do make a move again to expand? Capetown would make sense as I think would Beijing/Shanghai and maybe Bangkok. However, do they dare after their disaster effort at Dubai?
- for them to concentrate on their 'monopoly' on their long haul to San Fran and DC. However, if you can't put bums on seats there's no other option but to withdraw from the route whether it be temporarily or permanently and particularly when you've got economic meltdown everywhere. Best they concentrate on their JFK, BOS and ORD and perhaps MCO routes which have lots of bums on seats and are reliable ...... or at least that's what's been said.Management need to seriously clean up their act and lead by example and not be giving themselves buy/pay-offs of millions in the event of resignation or FR takeovers
. God knows what's going on there but they've been dragging their feet for way too long. I do wonder though what's next for their long haul effort when they do make a move again to expand? Capetown would make sense as I think would Beijing/Shanghai and maybe Bangkok. However, do they dare after their disaster effort at Dubai?
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Monopoly??
"It makes you wonder.
Aer Lingus have the monopoly of longhaul out of Dublin, and they are reducing it??"
With American Airlines, Delta Airlines, Continental, US Airways, Etihad and Air Canada also serving DUB, I would hardly call it a monopoly.....
Amazing the volume of interest in EI's "problems" from across the Irish sea since the LGW base opened. But then, they always did a good line in mud slinging.
Aer Lingus have the monopoly of longhaul out of Dublin, and they are reducing it??"
With American Airlines, Delta Airlines, Continental, US Airways, Etihad and Air Canada also serving DUB, I would hardly call it a monopoly.....
Amazing the volume of interest in EI's "problems" from across the Irish sea since the LGW base opened. But then, they always did a good line in mud slinging.
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"It makes you wonder.
Aer Lingus have the monopoly of longhaul out of Dublin, and they are reducing it??"
With American Airlines, Delta Airlines, Continental, US Airways, Etihad and Air Canada also serving DUB, I would hardly call it a monopoly.....
Aer Lingus have the monopoly of longhaul out of Dublin, and they are reducing it??"
With American Airlines, Delta Airlines, Continental, US Airways, Etihad and Air Canada also serving DUB, I would hardly call it a monopoly.....
BBC NEWS | Business | Aer Lingus warns of bigger losses
Irish airline Aer Lingus has warned that its 2009 losses will be more extensive than first feared after a sharp drop in first quarter revenues.
Aer Lingus, which parted with its former chief executive earlier this month, said revenues in January to March slumped 16% from a year before.
Passenger numbers during the first quarter fell 6.5% to two million.
Irish airline Aer Lingus has warned that its 2009 losses will be more extensive than first feared after a sharp drop in first quarter revenues.
Aer Lingus, which parted with its former chief executive earlier this month, said revenues in January to March slumped 16% from a year before.
Passenger numbers during the first quarter fell 6.5% to two million.
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Sign of the times but also you have a confumed consumer. EI are not alone. How much can I carry on. What dimensions. How much baggage. No liquids. What are the baggage charges. Is that charge one way or return. How much to reserve a seat. Walk to aircraft in rain because no airbridge. Interlining yet still charged for baggage. Do I have to pay to check in.....Without a recession there are bound to be a proportion of PAX who just decide it is easier to stay at home.
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Aer Lingus are to re examine its longhaul fleet order.
Aer Lingus to review long-haul order as demand collapses
Aer Lingus to review long-haul order as demand collapses
Suggestions on the radio this evening (28th April) that in the face of the problems EI is experiencing long haul is to be pulled from Shannon.
EI, and several other well known ex-flag carriers, still have a long way to go to get get their costs of business down.Unfortunately for EI, their pockets are not as deep as either their ex-flag compatriates or their biggest compeitor in DUB.
IMHO, EI management have only one real option in order to save the company, savage costs, and that includes staff numbers, staff remuneration, staff benifits, work practices and supplier prices.
As to whether there is a "white knight" who would buy the airline ...without reform the only value are the dwindling bank balance, the aircraft, slots and brand. And all of those are very, very portable.
EI has made it through difficult times in the past, this time, given it's plc status could be diiferent. It is a stark and simple choice: introduce real, tangible and permanent reform or die. If the unions can't live with that they may well have to live without EI.
As to the earlier query regarding South Africa, Etihad are advertising DUB-Jo'burg via Abu Dhabi! That's got to add some travelling vs LHR, Paris or Frankfurt.
JAS
EI, and several other well known ex-flag carriers, still have a long way to go to get get their costs of business down.Unfortunately for EI, their pockets are not as deep as either their ex-flag compatriates or their biggest compeitor in DUB.
IMHO, EI management have only one real option in order to save the company, savage costs, and that includes staff numbers, staff remuneration, staff benifits, work practices and supplier prices.
As to whether there is a "white knight" who would buy the airline ...without reform the only value are the dwindling bank balance, the aircraft, slots and brand. And all of those are very, very portable.
EI has made it through difficult times in the past, this time, given it's plc status could be diiferent. It is a stark and simple choice: introduce real, tangible and permanent reform or die. If the unions can't live with that they may well have to live without EI.
As to the earlier query regarding South Africa, Etihad are advertising DUB-Jo'burg via Abu Dhabi! That's got to add some travelling vs LHR, Paris or Frankfurt.
JAS
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I wonder if the rumoured links with AF (or indeed another carrier) might have some impact on their long haul plans; AF/KL are planning a 100 aircraft widebody order (787/350) and if they cancelled their own 350 order and rowed in with AF/KL, there might be considerable savings?
I think we can probably forget about the two 330s scheduled for delivery in 2010/11, but why more 320s? EI has significant problems on its UK regional network - specifically, not being able to have any more than a daily service, which will be pretty useless if - as it has long said - it wants to have an effective hub at DUB once T2 is up and running.
And what of the older 333s which will be surplus to requirements? With an all Y class charter-type layout (c.400 seats), these older aircraft would probably have unbeatable seat-mile costs, due to v. low lease costs Long haul low cost is something that EI is going to need to look at (even if it's under a different branding); why not be first, for once, instead of following the herd? Stimulate demand by putting these aircraft on routes not currently served by EI, with the benefit of aggressive, innovate marketing.
US students will still want to do their Euro trips; why not make EI's low cost operation the "Loftleidir" of the 21st century; DUB is as good as any place to start and with EI's network throughout Europe, it's a fairly plausible staging first stop? Bottom line: people will want to travel, but they'll want more value than they're getting: the winning airline(s) will be those who can offer that. Why can't EI do this?
I think we can probably forget about the two 330s scheduled for delivery in 2010/11, but why more 320s? EI has significant problems on its UK regional network - specifically, not being able to have any more than a daily service, which will be pretty useless if - as it has long said - it wants to have an effective hub at DUB once T2 is up and running.
And what of the older 333s which will be surplus to requirements? With an all Y class charter-type layout (c.400 seats), these older aircraft would probably have unbeatable seat-mile costs, due to v. low lease costs Long haul low cost is something that EI is going to need to look at (even if it's under a different branding); why not be first, for once, instead of following the herd? Stimulate demand by putting these aircraft on routes not currently served by EI, with the benefit of aggressive, innovate marketing.
US students will still want to do their Euro trips; why not make EI's low cost operation the "Loftleidir" of the 21st century; DUB is as good as any place to start and with EI's network throughout Europe, it's a fairly plausible staging first stop? Bottom line: people will want to travel, but they'll want more value than they're getting: the winning airline(s) will be those who can offer that. Why can't EI do this?
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Does anyone out there have any details of EI's loads ex LGW? The grapevine tells me that VIE and MUC are dreadful and that AGP/ FAO are well below break even levels. Can anyone confirm whether this is true?
There are some options on the LH front;
Utilising the older aircraft in all cattle class config and charging as little as possible to get bums on seats, then maybe a €1 or €2 per 1KG of hold baggage payable at check-in, pay per view IFE and/or pay for Burger Bar type food on board (maybe you could flog the franchise rights!!)
Alternatively, or possibly in tandem, on T/A, pushing a reasonably well connected western European base with US border and customs pre-clearance and attempting to attract traffic that way.
Perhaps retaining the "prestige routes" (if any of the T/A's fall into that category) under the full EI banner, with a full service offering (or as close to as you can get in these financially troubled times) on modern airframes and a new, separately branded, seperate entity (preferably free of the legacy arrangements) to operate a what you see is what you get service, serving cost effective, close enough to your destination, well connected US fields with the older AC. FR, for the most part, would be a ready made feeder service for such an op out of SNN or DUB.
Either way, doing something in an attempt to survive is far better than sitting there dumb, fat and happy waiting for the inevitable.
JAS
Utilising the older aircraft in all cattle class config and charging as little as possible to get bums on seats, then maybe a €1 or €2 per 1KG of hold baggage payable at check-in, pay per view IFE and/or pay for Burger Bar type food on board (maybe you could flog the franchise rights!!)
Alternatively, or possibly in tandem, on T/A, pushing a reasonably well connected western European base with US border and customs pre-clearance and attempting to attract traffic that way.
Perhaps retaining the "prestige routes" (if any of the T/A's fall into that category) under the full EI banner, with a full service offering (or as close to as you can get in these financially troubled times) on modern airframes and a new, separately branded, seperate entity (preferably free of the legacy arrangements) to operate a what you see is what you get service, serving cost effective, close enough to your destination, well connected US fields with the older AC. FR, for the most part, would be a ready made feeder service for such an op out of SNN or DUB.
Either way, doing something in an attempt to survive is far better than sitting there dumb, fat and happy waiting for the inevitable.
JAS
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Does anyone out there have any details of EI's loads ex LGW? The grapevine tells me that VIE and MUC are dreadful and that AGP/ FAO are well below break even levels. Can anyone confirm whether this is true?
I've heard similar to you actually about Munich. Surprised to hear that about Vienna though, apparently loads have been strong everyday since the route started. Malaga has been close to full more times that not but Faro has had an average start and looks weak through most of May. Couldn't get any information of Zurich or Knock.
I've heard similar to you actually about Munich. Surprised to hear that about Vienna though, apparently loads have been strong everyday since the route started. Malaga has been close to full more times that not but Faro has had an average start and looks weak through most of May. Couldn't get any information of Zurich or Knock.
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EI take the initivate? That will NEVER happen. Lets be honest about it now. Someone pointed out a few posts back about CPT? There was some great options with CPT, that never happened and the ill fated DXB route. How can you compete with what other airlines offer to DXB? A ****ty seat with crap IFE is not going to work just to get that 'oirish smile and a cup of Barrys tea'
Not only does it take time to develop a route but EI are doing all those knee-jerk reactions to routes and bases. BFS and LGW, I personally think were mistakes. Then the mistake taking the Iberia bound 320s and doubting orders on the long haul. EI could shine with a wonderful product out of DUB with routes across the US and Canada, and even charter long haul flights to the Caribean. Im sure you could pick 10 routes off the top of your head that would work out of DUB. But once again, that would require someone having a brain and that doesnt exist in EI.
When 'we' wish that EI would do something sensible, more often than not they go the other way.
If only EI had someone with some balls to stand up and sort it out.
Not only does it take time to develop a route but EI are doing all those knee-jerk reactions to routes and bases. BFS and LGW, I personally think were mistakes. Then the mistake taking the Iberia bound 320s and doubting orders on the long haul. EI could shine with a wonderful product out of DUB with routes across the US and Canada, and even charter long haul flights to the Caribean. Im sure you could pick 10 routes off the top of your head that would work out of DUB. But once again, that would require someone having a brain and that doesnt exist in EI.
When 'we' wish that EI would do something sensible, more often than not they go the other way.
If only EI had someone with some balls to stand up and sort it out.
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The second (ever) flight from Faro to Gatwick on Sunday evening had 84 on board. We paid £13 each booking just after the route went on sale. Four crew on board who were very very very very good and a brand new aircraft. Personally, I hope they do well.
We are doing Munich and Zurich next weekend, so I'll report back after then.
We are doing Munich and Zurich next weekend, so I'll report back after then.
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EI could shine with a wonderful product out of DUB with routes across the US and Canada, and even charter long haul flights to the Caribean. Im sure you could pick 10 routes off the top of your head that would work out of DUB..
Aer Lingus are like BA and American in the sense that they still have a legacy unionised workforce that rightly will not stand back and see it's terms and conditions destroyed. Who would? However any route to the US that Aer Lingus go on, any competitor would be more nimble and competitive with non legacy costs, as most of the US majors save AA have been through Chapter 11. It's not as easy as painting a plane green and launching a route. Ireland is in deep recession, the revenue that EI were banking on to pay for the capital outlay on new metal is not there. Expansion outside of Ireland is a gamble and LGW and BFS will either pan out or be the final nail in the coffin.
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"Aer Lingus are like BA and American in the sense that they still have a legacy unionised workforce that rightly will not stand back and see it's terms and conditions destroyed. Who would?"
I really dont get this...the financial world is crumbling around us, people in many sectors are losing terms and conditions, pay cuts, job losses...why should airline workers be any different? Why should they 'rightly' hang on to their existing terms and conditions? If people want airlines to survive surely airline staff have also to take the pain..like everybody else right now..
I really dont get this...the financial world is crumbling around us, people in many sectors are losing terms and conditions, pay cuts, job losses...why should airline workers be any different? Why should they 'rightly' hang on to their existing terms and conditions? If people want airlines to survive surely airline staff have also to take the pain..like everybody else right now..