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Old 18th Dec 2008, 19:06
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Aer Lingus

Is this correct ex bhx.... have read elesewhere it is LGW. Be great if it was bhx. Plenty of scope for new routes ex bhx that Baby have departed from and are not FR taken such as MAD,BCN,LIS amongst others. As for a A330 guess ATQ or YYR that AI were doing up until recently. Possible another US destination??? JFK OR Chicago..

Be interesting to see EI at bhx...

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Old 18th Dec 2008, 19:13
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Looks like Aer Lingus has decided that the grass is greener on the other side of the border (despite the soft rain in Ireland!) and is to announce a second UK base (after Belfast). Well their old friend O'Leary has made a mint in the promised land, so no doubt they want to follow suit.

I can't help feeling that they are deluded if they think they will be able to compete with the likes of Easy Jet, Monarch and the rest at a time of economic distress. Unless that is, their major shareholder is prepared to bail them out "in the national interest"!!!
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Aer Lingus new base..

I just cant imagine AerLingus would go near BHX for a base, it would be lunacy.
LGW may be a distinct possibility as there is a limiting factor so unlikely FR could get enough slots to penetrate their business severly (well from LGW anyway) in addition, I can only see that the real interest that Aer Lingus would have at LGW would be America with so many routes being closed and moved to LHR.

Or is there something happening with slots that BA is to drop from LGW, if something is afoot timing of code share on LCY DUB may be part of something bigger?

Onwards and upwards!

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Old 18th Dec 2008, 23:20
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BHX base

EI-BUD why would a BHX base be lunacy? Certainly no more lunacy involved than when the politicians forced EI to choose BFS over BHX. There is an awful lot of competition ex LGW with the largest Easyjet base and a large, mainly leisure orientated BA operation.
It remains to be seen who they will choose BHX has managed to attract a large FR base and two flag carriers by next spring.
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Shannon Heathrow

According to the Irish Times the Shannon Heathrow link is expected to be restored.

Aer Lingus plans to open base at Gatwick for short-haul trips - The Irish Times - Fri, Dec 19, 2008
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On the face of it that does sound like good news, however one has to ask where the slots are coming from? Is it bye bye BFS?
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The slots will come from the BFS route yes. BFS-LHR will be dropped.
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I see Gatwick base confirmed.

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Old 19th Dec 2008, 11:20
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I know its a rumour network and all this but it really does make me laugh how people come on here spouting this and that. So much for BHX eh?

Yep LGW is confirmed.

RTÉ News: Aer Lingus to set up Gatwick base
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all the BFS-LHR slots or just a couple? seems bit silly dropping it considering the flight seems to be popular
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The BFS/LHR route isn't popular, waste of an A320. BD is still superior to EI and of course i'll get flamed for saying this but selling cheap seats on a business intensive route out of lough neagh regional is a bit dim witted.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 11:35
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i heard that they were going to use the 4th BFS and a DUB slot to re-start SNN-LHR.
Aren't Aer Lingus due to get a few slots back from another airline?

Would be a real shame if BFS-LHR were to go. Flew it last Thurs and Mon and although the load on the outbound wasn't great, LHR-BFS was almost full (and had 6 FAs - seemed a bit unusual)
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Aer Lingus has confirmed base at Gatwick

Aer Lingus has confirmed plans to establish an international base at Gatwick for European flights.

Seven destinations - Malaga, Munich, Nice, Vienna, Knock, Faro and Zurich - have been earmarked for services from spring 2009.

Fares will start at £19.99 one way including taxes.

The airline, fending off a €748 million hostile takeover bid by Ryanair, already runs a Dublin-Gatwick service but the expansion will pitch it against UK budget rival Easyjet, one of the biggest carriers at the airport.

Aer Lingus plans to expand its Gatwick presence to eight aircraft with a potential for 2.5 million passengers a year within 12 months.

Are EI gone soft in the head?
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LGW formally announced:

Gatwick to serve 8 routes with fares starting from £ 19.99
Dublin, London, 19 December: Aer Lingus Group plc ("Aer Lingus") is
pleased to announce the opening of its new international base at London
Gatwick Airport. The base is the airline's first outside the island of
Ireland and will position Aer Lingus for profitable growth in Europe's
largest aviation market.

Aer Lingus will initially locate 4 Airbus A320 short haul aircraft at
Gatwick from April 2009 and will operate services to Malaga, Munich, Nice,
Vienna, Dublin, Knock, Faro and Zurich with fares starting from £ 19.99 one
way including taxes. Within 12 months the new base is expected to grow to
8 aircraft with the potential for up to 2.5 million passengers a year. In
the first year with a total investment of £ 100m, over 120 new jobs will be
created directly through local recruitment of pilots and cabin crew. This
will grow as more aircraft are deployed to the base.

Commenting on the announcement today, Aer Lingus Chief Executive Dermot
Mannion said: "We are very excited at this opportunity to grow our
business in Europe's biggest aviation market and to extend our low-fares,
quality offering to new travellers. We are offering consumers flights to
top European business and leisure destinations at convenient times and
competitive fares as part of a superior offering that sets us apart from
our rivals. The Gatwick operation will complement our existing services
out of London Heathrow, and position Aer Lingus for growth as we roll out
new routes and bases in future years."


Mike Luddy, Commercial Director, London Gatwick Airport said: "This is
fantastic news for Gatwick, the south east region and particularly for
passengers who will enjoy travelling on these great routes from next
summer.
We know Aer Lingus evaluated a range of airports across Europe for their
first base outside Ireland and we are delighted that they chose Gatwick as
their London base. In this challenging period for the aviation industry,
this is proof of Gatwick's position as an ideal airport for profitable
airline growth."
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 12:07
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BFS LHR will not be going. A European base will be expected to be announced in the not too distant future. SNN LHR to be reinstated using a slot from DUB and possibly Cork.
That's not what I understand of it...BFS-LHR will be cut.

Sorry, I edit this. I thought you meant under the terms of the proposed takeover by RYR, who propose to close BFS-LHR, but reading further up the thread this may not have been the context and I cannot comment on any other aspect.

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Old 19th Dec 2008, 12:27
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I have hitherto been a supporter of Aer Lingus but I think this is.......interesting. now IF BFS-LHR has been axed and the sound of U Turns in Shannon is striking. Whilst the possible re-instatement of this route is a good one I think, the BFS-LHR debacle shows that Aer Lingus ought to be careful about the routes they choose. On the plus side it does show flexibility on thinking.

Does anyone else think Aer Lingus back on SNN-LHR is the price of the politicians not selling them out to Ryanair?

Gatwick is fortress easyJet these days with BA far from dead. That's before you get to the strength of Monarch locally.

Good luck chaps.
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Sober Lark, I think EI have gone soft in the head! They are going on routes that are already served by not only easyjet, ba and most of the charter operators at LGW. Aer Lingus are going to have to spend a lot on marketing because they are only really known for serving Ireland in the UK. The Knock route has been done by FR and XL both pulled off due to low load factors.

I think they should be concentrating on the Irish market and look to expand their medium and long haul market.

LGW is a bad idea and I think EI will struggle badly.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 12:33
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Didn't they set up a base of some sorts in the late 1980's/early 90's at MAN, serving places like Milan?

I seem to remember BA turning the heat up on them, and they withered soon afterwards. To fight alongside EZY does seem a little optimistic at present.

However, good luck to them for having the b*lls to try it.
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Not too good at learning lessons over there in DUB. Not satisfied with trying to (unsuccessfully) rain on Easyjet's parade in BFS they now decide to take them on directly on their own patch and in a recession too. I predict carnage.
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I think EI have gone soft in the head! They are going on routes that are already served by not only easyjet, ba and most of the charter operators at LGW.
For example?
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