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Old 19th Dec 2008, 13:07
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AGP and FAO are going up against BA, EZY, ZB and the charters. Heavy volume routes but maybe the frequencies a bit on the high side?
Nice going up against BA and EZY
MUC, NOC, ZRH and VIE not currently served from LGW
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 13:15
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The whole (aviation) world is in a state of chassis as Sean O'Casey might say.
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Not too good at learning lessons over there in DUB. Not satisfied with trying to (unsuccessfully) rain on Easyjet's parade in BFS they now decide to take them on directly on their own patch and in a recession too. I predict carnage.
Yes, I agree completely. Now if I was an EI shareholder I'd be re-reading the terms of that FR offer, 'cos it must look even more attractive with this lunacy!
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 13:52
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AGP and FAO are going up against BA, EZY, ZB and the charters. Heavy volume routes but maybe the frequencies a bit on the high side?
Nice going up against BA and EZY
MUC, NOC, ZRH and VIE not currently served from LGW
ZB and TOM are also on Nice, BA are on the ZRH and EZY, XL and FR have tried NOC. If FR couldnt make NOC work I dont know why EI think they can. A mid morning route to GLA might be a better idea as EZY and BA only fly morning and evening.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 14:10
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Aer Lingus To Open New Base

Aer Lingus are set to open a base at Gatwick next year RTÉ News: Aer Lingus to set up Gatwick base. Only thing is where are those extra aircraft going to come from...Dublin or Cork.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 14:22
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Where are the A/C coming from? Where are the crew coming from?

Last bid attempt at fighting off MO'L?
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 14:55
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I always thought GLA was a good option for EI starting a mainland UK base.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 15:14
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Before we go any further with the speculation as to why EI are going back on SNN-LHR route, can I say that the restart of SNN-LHR has been a rumour for a few months now and imo is more to do with reducing costs at SNN than being backed into a corner by MOL or politicians. No doubt some local politicians will take credit for it and are already, but EI are back because ther is money to be made there and the load factors showed that in the past.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 15:26
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it'll never happen, doesn't have the critical mass, no-one wants to fly through Shannon, that airstrip in a bog, no money to be made in Shannon etc etc..

Sorry..i'll get my coat.

According to RTE, EI also lost a member of the board last night when Sean Fitzpatrick resigned from Anglo Irish bank and his other posts on the boards of Smurfit, Greencore and EI among others for somewhat iffy loans of up to 87m.

Great country...
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 15:45
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Looks like it's their attempt to combat the Ryanair takeover. I wonder how Ryanair's going to react.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 16:14
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Lots of other airports I would start from rather than LGW. Being beaten on their hometurf in DUB by FR they then seek a new market and choose LGW, EZY's biggest base It's gonna be a bloodbath and it's not gonna be Orange coloured

Starting up new routes where most of them are already done by high frequency flights by EZY and BA. AGP is in the summertime flown up to 12 times a day by EZY alone.

Won't last very long I think. They should concentrate on making BFS work, where their loads are really bad.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 16:26
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Leading to long-haul perhaps?
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 16:34
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Given that EZY have run away from every fight on Irish turf with FR, I guess Mannion reckons he can deal with them too - should be interesting!
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 16:41
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Customer loyalty usually only ends with price. Whether it's easy's main base or not dosen't really matter. The most important thing from a consumer point of view is the price of the ticket. The main winner here is the consumer, giving them more choice on certain routes. Aer Lingus' costbase will be as low as any other operaters out of Gatwick when the base opens. LGW is not BFS either. BA as it happens will be pulling off certain routes and reducing frequency on others to allow this to happen, so in effect both airlines have agreed on a replacement of service rather than an additional operator on the route. In return BA will have access to one of Aer Lingus' current LHR BFS slots. The Dublin- London City route operated by BA Cityflyer on behalf of BA is now bookable on the Aer Lingus website, with EI taking a small chunk of the revenue. LGW-DUB will double in frequency on a codeshare basis. A deal has been struck by both airlines in connection with this announcement today. No cash changed hands for EI to get these LGW slots. In my opinion once established in the base the next A330 due to Aer Lingus will be London bound. All will be revelaed with further announcement due shortly.

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Old 19th Dec 2008, 16:52
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Angel Aer Lingus To Open Gatwick

I really think MANNION AND BARRINGTON have been hiting the Xmas sauce early, this is an ill cnveived plan both Easy and RYR will have them in their sights and will be gunning for them. I bet these two believe in Santa and little riding hood.

Doomed to failure
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 16:54
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Serving NOC stinks of politics. No EI presence now so will have to start from scratch. I guess they think Inda Kinny will be Taoiseach soon!
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 17:01
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AGP and FAO are going up against BA, EZY, ZB and the charters. Heavy volume routes but maybe the frequencies a bit on the high side?
Nice going up against BA and EZY
MUC, NOC, ZRH and VIE not currently served from LGW

ZB and TOM are also on Nice, BA are on the ZRH and EZY, XL and FR have tried NOC. If FR couldnt make NOC work I dont know why EI think they can. A mid morning route to GLA might be a better idea as EZY and BA only fly morning and evening.
ZB do not serve Nice. There may be a charter I guess. And there are no TOM flights to Nice that are on sale as flight only. BA are axing LGW-ZRH at the end of the winter season

If EI were to do LGW-GLA they would need morning/evening flights as well as the mid-morning one you suggest. Once daily would not be competitive
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 17:02
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Serving NOC stinks of politics. No EI presence now so will have to start from scratch.
And MOL giving the government control over the LHR slots isn't?. It's all a game from both sides. NOC will last for a short time and then be pulled. Remember Ryanair on SNN-DUB. Lasted all of a month if even that last year? And that was around the time of the SNN-LHR controversy. It's all about politics, on both sides, with smiling photographs, kissing babies and all that thrown in for good measure. It's almost like an election between the two Chief Executives these days.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 17:16
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Do I have to enumerate all instances of trickery from all EI's competitors before you're content? I don't think a word comes out of MOLs mouth that isn't calculated and political, even his beds and bl0wjobs remark. When someone else does something political it's a bit more notable.
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Do I have to enumerate all instances of trickery from all EI's competitors before you're content?

Tongue, cheek, remark and all that!
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