CARDIFF

[flowy50]

new routes

bmibaby a new route to barcalona stating in may 3 times a week. also going to add more ac to cardiff. flybe also considering 3 new routes to europe good news for once

[Hudson Bay]

I can tell you (this is not a rumour) that bmibaby had planned to put a further 2 aircraft into Cardiff. This is now under review because of poor management of Cardiff Airport.

The management at Cardiff Airport have acted in such a manner that it cannot be guaranteed that they may duplicate their errors in the future. The duplication of routes is unsustainable at regional Airports such as Cardiff. Competition on routes is good for everybody however, putting jobs and business's at risk due to lack of insight is reckless. Additional routes are welcomed, duplication on such a scale is negligent.

Maybe the Cardiff management would like to respond?

[cym]

Airlines decide which routes they want to fly not airports.

Also JH has now left so a degree of bridge building (it that is appropriate) may be possible.....

2 extra units in one go .............naw WW are too cautious!

[stalling attitude]

I know it's better than nothing but it's still a bit half hearted, twice a week becoming 3x weekly. It is no use to anyone looking for a weekend away as they have to travel midweek. I still think many from this side of the water will travel to BRS to go to BCN with Easyjet as they are doing BCN twice a day during the summer and RYR doing Girona daily as well.

[cym]

and to be honest a route that WW should have taken on as soon as TOM stopped the route. They obviously had the aircraft available so why.... lack of commitment to CWL?

[LGS6753]

ABTN reports that Flybe are "working on" new routes from CWL to DUS, FRA and BRU.

Good news for you boyos!

[4 engines 4 longhaul]

Well FlyBe is working on progressing from cardiff, how did the Munich route from WW do back in the day?

WW confuses me, they take long enough to anounce routes for CWl, and then pritty much give the impression it's the management at cardiff thats behind the reason for not expanding, nah! they had there down points alright, but it's more likely they werent commited despite it being known or apparently so that cardiff is one of there most yielding bases. So Baby wheres this bloody 4th aircraft huh?

[CWL_Chris]

http://info.cwlfly.com/en/news/4/330...t-airline.html

Bold statement from Flybe, wishing to be largest carrier from CWL by 2010!

[4 engines 4 longhaul]

Could possibly be the largest interms of schedueld passengers, im not quite sure on TOM's figures for there combined Sched/Charter neetwrok, but FlyBe have the resources to certainly expand fairly quickly and a three year time scale upto 2011 could see a number of based aircraft at cardiff.

[OltonPete]

Barcelona

Now on sale

Tuesday 1440 1940 which fits in a treat

Wednesday 1915 0025

Did not check Saturday

Tuesday

ALC 0810 1340 BCN 1440 1940 GLA 2010 2310
PMI 0600 1145 JER 1310 1530 FAO 1600 2145
EDI 0700 1005 AGP 1030 1630 EDI 1715 2010 BFS 2040 2330

Wednesday

PMI 0600 1145 AMS 1215 1520 BCN 1915 0025 rumour for another?
EDI 0700 1005 AGP 1030 1630 EDI 1715 2010 BFS 2040 2330
FAO 0715 1315 ALC 1345 1925 GLA 1955 2250

Pete

[mathers_wales_uk]

I know this sounds daft from a Loco carrier but i heard that Lanzarote is being talked about by BmiBaby. I hope this is not correct as i can't see it working.

It has been going around for a while how we nearly had an extra a/c here and there. etc. The truth is that Flybe was expanding at BHX and BmiBaby wanted to fight back, and this is where the 4th a/c went too.

Considering there is no extra a/c due except for those to replace the 735 then unless an aquisition is made by the Bmi group then i can't see any significant growth by them soon. As far as i'm concerned i won't believe a word about an extra a/c until it's set in stone.

On the other hand an extra route to their network is something positive at least.

Looks like interesting times ahead for Cardiff with Flybe looking to expand similary to it's Southampton base and be Cardiff's biggest carrier within 3 years.

Maybe next year we can see a based a/c or two.

[planenut321]

I would like to see 1 Dash 8 and 1 EMB 145, a bit of variety. I doubt they would base a 195 for a few years to come.

[frank murphy]

Hi
This is my first post but i read the forum quite alot. I read quite a while back about italianwings starting a service from cardiff is this now dead in the water.

[planenut321]

As far as I know. But CWL desperatly need a route to Italy (and Germany) , as a business route. They did have Milan which was dropped. Eurofly and Thomsonfly do summer charters to Rome and Milan, but a regular serrvice is needed.

[Hudson Bay]

CYM

We know that Airlines choose the routes but it is the airports that offer the deals and in turn control the routes. In the case of Flybe duplicating routes with Eastern and bmi they were offered the same cost cutting deal. Now we have all three Airlines paying exactly the same on exactly the same routes. How stupid? Deals at Airports are available for new routes not the routes that already exist. This has been a management monumental error of judgement and there will only be casualties.

Look at any other Airport in the UK. If a route already exists and a new airline wants to operate that particular route, they may but they will pay the going rate and not the discounted one. That is how it works, always has done and always will.

The management at Cardiff should be held accountable when the Airlines pull off the routes in the future. ( Which won't be long ).

I now know that bmi have decided not to base any more aircraft in Cardiff for the time being as a direct result of this management decision.

[4 engines 4 longhaul]

The management at Cardiff should be held accountable when the Airlines pull off the routes in the future. ( Which won't be long ).

I now know that bmi have decided not to base any more aircraft in Cardiff for the time being as a direct result of this management decision.

Indeed you are correct, hopefully the new management will implement a new stratergie when it come down to this, or possibly common sense or a bit of reasearch will prevail.

Stumbled across this article when reading the welsh headlines earlier today,

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/...1466-20624977/

Looks like flybe have laid there cards down!

[EI-BUD]

Flybe

I see that bmibaby has cut back its Belfast International route to daily. It would seem that Flybe has done quite well in growing its share in the market. My fear for the Cardiff is that Flybe will introduce higher frequency that bmibaby on many business routes and this will leave Baby with a very cost ineffective position, ie cost to run a half or quarter full 737 where BE is using Dash, i accept that many prefer a jet, but in my view it wont be long until baby give up on Cardiff ( which i hope I am wrong).

And by this time Flybe do a SOU & EXT style bully job on the airport..

What does anyone think?
EI BUD

[4 engines 4 longhaul]

If you have a quick browse of the link above I think this paragraph is very relevant,

Mr Rutter said in the long-term Flybe would focus on business routes and he expected bmibaby to concentrate on leisure weekends in European cities, rather than UK flights.

I personally think after some time, given that WW isn’t taken over, CWl will remain a three aircraft base. WW will do what they do best fly bucket and spade routes in an efficient and highly yielding manor, let’s face it that’s where there focus has been, but I think longer city routes like WAW etc will stay once established, and in the opposite case I believe FlyBe will do what they do best, fly regional and business routes with a high frequency schedule and using an aircraft(s) that do not need to be filled up to capacity to make a suitable profit.

[airhumberside]

In the case of Flybe duplicating routes with Eastern and bmi they were offered the same cost cutting deal. Now we have all three Airlines paying exactly the same on exactly the same routes. How stupid?

In the case of GLA, Flybe are offering a vastly better schedule. And perhaps the management at CWL were hoping for bmi baby to have same response as Eastern?

Surely it was a gamble either way? Say no to Flybe, including risking potential future expansion onto new routes, and hope baby would expand, risking stagnation but keeping you're main airline happy. Or let Flybe expand and accept that reduction will happen elsewhere but hope the additions outweigh the reductions

Anyway CWL made their decision and will have to deal with the consequences now

[tinyflyerBHX]

but in my view it wont be long until baby give up on Cardiff

WW won't give up on CWL and they have no reason to do so. A lot of routes operated by WW from CWL are some of the highest yielding within the company. WW would love to put more aircraft in to all of their current bases esp CWL and EMA its just that they are having difficulty in picking up decent 737-300's. However if the rumors of a BD buy out of GSM are true the aircraft shortage will become less of a problem and also I can see CWL benefiting as WW would take any spare aircraft and base them where they see potential.