CARDIFF

[Richard Taylor]

I see Aberdeen is fourth.

Been 2-3yrs since CWL was last served from ABZ with Air Wales.

Wonder if the route will ever be re-established.

[CWL_Chris]

Maybe Flybe will have a look at operating CWL-ABZ. They currently operate from a number of UK airports already so it might be one for the not so distant future.

Hopefully we'll see some of the German routes taken up, but they will need to be operated by aircraft like the ERJ195 around the 100 seat mark and not anything larger.

Lots of delays at Cardiff today, anyone know why!?

[jetstream7]

Lots of delays at Cardiff today, anyone know why!?

Fog .

[mathers_wales_uk]

A rolling fog and low cloud base has cause the problems,

T34641 - Diverted to Birmingham
BE581 - Diverted to Exeter
BE1431 - Diverted to Exeter
RE311 - Diverted to Exeter
KL1059 - Diverted to Birmingham
WW2936 - Diverted to Birmingham
KL1065 - Diverted to Birmingham
WW2736 - Diverted to Birmingham

As of 16:00 (not sure if left any out).

Flybe are looking into re-establishing the link of Germany with Cardiff, be interesting to see when will it happen.

[iflycwl]

Highland Airways J41's are configured to just 18 seats too as they do not have cabin crew on the Scottish PSO routes. You never know we may get to see one now & then.

With the merger of the big four, Servisair have done exceptionally well as they now handle TCX, MYT & TOM and as of the 21st April FCA - not bad for a company with no ramp handling.............yet !

Glad to see the big welcome to CWL bash for Flybe on Monday - not sure the Bay City Rollers song "bye bye baby bye bye" went down well with BMI baby as they moved their check-in's away from Flybe - not sure how this will last with Aviance handling them both, but great to see an airline launch routes for a change and I am sure we will see some more destinations soon - good luck Flybe !

Lets see CWL Management act on these results and get some of the new destinations listed notably Germany now that Lufthansa have started x3 daily to FRA ex BRS.

[veeonerotate]

I hope Flybe do well at CWL.

I hope the airport treat them well and hopefully we might see Peter Phillips finally stepping up to the mark.

We have all seen airports come and go at Cardiff and it took them 4 years to stab bmibaby in the back. Why don't they understand that most routes cant sustain 2 operators - and the same thing happens... they get left with nothing.

Let's hope they're all pensioned off soon, that airport needs fresh thinking and it might be a catalyst for development... like Bristol.

[iflycwl]

Would not surprise me if we see the likes of Ryan Air coming back to CWL, we must be one of the very few UK airports without their presence on a daily basis - fingers crossed.

Be good if a new airline re-established the Swansea-Cardiff-London route, Air Wales had good loads on an ATR42 - a J41 would be a good option to start off with, catering for the business need. Anyone any thoughts on this ?

The VLY route needs upgrading too, the J31 obviously too small now as loads are well over what was anticipated. A good route would be CWL-VLY-DUB as this would cater for VLY request for a DUB link - again upgrade it too a J41, SF3 or even ATR42 size aircraft.

[mathers_wales_uk]

I can see where you coming from but i'm not sure if anyone would try and offer it, it would be nice if BE or RE tried to offer it but sure that they won't until the 3 year deal has ended with the Highland if they descide not to operate it anymore.

I think there maybe more of a chance that there would be a CWL - IOM - DUB route than the CWL - VLY - DUB. There are airlines looking into VLY apparently but i would say it would be one of them linking with CWL and onwards not any other.

I was wondering how a VLY - CWL - (London Aiport) would do?

I'm not sure Ryanair would base at CWL uness they pulled out of BRS.

[andy1205]

ryanair

would be good to see ryanair coming in from other bases into cwl tho

[OltonPete]

Ryanair

Ryanair fell out with BHX a few years ago and look how that has turned out!

Yes bigger catchment area in the Midlands but they have six aircraft already based just up the M42, never say never with Ryanair.

At least Cardiff - Girona should be a sure bet eventually with the amount of expansion announced yesterday (5 more aircraft by 2012 and 50 plus routes).

Pete

[rossym]

Right, sorry, but I've kept quiet about this for a while now.

Unfortunately, I feel the quality of the content on this thread is decreasing, and some comments are being made without giving any information to back up the point you are trying to make - without any support, your point is really quite unjustified.

For example, the lanuguage in your post above is really unncessary, andy1205. Also, you should try and back up your claims, e.g Why do you think bmibaby aren't doing anything for CWL? Why do you think Ryanair would be the best airline?

Another thing, why did you make those two sentences in two posts? I'm sure you are just trying to up your post count; I don't understand why though!

Spelling and grammar is also quite important; it makes these forums so much easier to read if the posts are correctly spelled and punctuated.

Sorry andy1205, I know this seems directed at you, and it's not meant to be personal at all, it just gets on my nerves a little bit, you know?

Best regards,
Ross

[flower]

would be the best airline for cwl

On what do you base that comment? personally I wont fly Ryanair under any circumstances so am quite happy for them not to be at Cardiff. They were here before they asked for simply unacceptable conditions , prior to starting services at Cardiff they promised several services but in the end all they got was a flight in between the Bristol flights.
I wouldn't expect to see Ryanair anytime soon at CWL I don't have any information to back that up simply personal thoughts . What we need isn't Ryanair but several airlines offering many services not an airline who takes you to out of the way airports nowhere near your destination.

[planenut321]

Most of the ryanair's airports in the UK fly to Girona. The only flights to Girona from Cardiff is charter flights in the summer. I feel a sheduled flight by FR would suceed. I was a shame they pulled out of CWL anyway. RE have tried to make up the number of seats. But an ATR doesn't make up the seat diffrence. Maybe FFB will launch a Dublin Route? Or Flybe (at the rate they are going)

[xtypeman]

J41 VLY and LON

The J41 are being operated as Combis to serve the PSO routes to the islands in Scotland so again it would require a change to the PSO for valley for any change of aircraft type. I belive the PSO was awarded for a term of two years at that time it can be reviewed. LON route sorry to pour cold water on this one but its a non starter. Air Wales did not get good loads. Its was ok on a Monday morning and a Friday evening only. From Cardiff it was very poor. Factors to be taken into account are the frequency of the trains we may all moan about FGW but on the whole they do a good job. Costs kill a London service LCY have priced thier landing fees based around 100 seats LHR do not want 50 seats or less plus the slot issue, LGW cost are rising, STN is too far out and LTN is getting full. Also load verses fare and yield has to be taken into account. I no its quaint but airlines have to be able to make money to keep operating dont forget RT lost £32m trying to operate including LON. History proves LON as a non starter. If you read the history of Cambrian they had a regular flight to LHR to position Viscounts this was put up for sale but failed after 3 months with very limited take up.

[mathers_wales_uk]

Thanks for that Xtypeman, i was just wondering as most of us have agreed in the past that a london route will not succeed but i was just popping in the question if it were for arguments sake, VLY-CWL- (London Aiport) with the possibility of transits and passengers getting off and new pax returning at CWL, i'm guessing you are right that it would not work unless they were premium seats.

More Disruption at CWL today due to Fog

T34641 - Newcastle - Cancelled
BE 581 - Edinburgh - Diverted to Birmingham
BE1431 - Glasgow - Diverted to Birmingham
RE311 - Dublin - Diverted to Exeter
IOS550 - Newquay - Cancelled

Current Visibility 1400 M so were back in business however 050 M at BRS means that we'll probably get some diversions

[Em0866]

Eastern

Well I wonder how the competiton will go on the CWL-NCL route will go from Monday as it goes to 3 a day. Judging by how much the fare is I wonder if they'll succeed. Flybe is much cheaper on this route

[mathers_wales_uk]

If you were to depart on the T34646 on Friday 25th April and return on the T34645 on Monday the 28th of April (both new flights) then the price would be £97.70

On the same dates on Flybe £89.98

Pros for Flybe is that they currently operate on a Jet a/c, they fly on the weekends and have a frequent flyer programme, with an increased network for business usage.

Pros for Eastern Airways, very punctual, high frequency flights, lower operating costs for the route.

[Wellington Bomber]

Mathers

Do not forget free drinks and snacks and free fasttrack lane through security with Eastern.

Also you can turn up at the airport and check your baggage in free up to 15kg

Now who is cheaper if you add all this to your ticket?

[Antdenatale]

Totally Agree Wellington,

I will continue to choose Eastern over Flybe whenever I travel to Newcastle, to me the extra's you get with Eastern, far outweigh the slight difference in price.

To be honest, I have had far too many good experiences with Eastern to just dump them when a someone new starts on the route!

[CWL_Chris]

I guess the NCL route with Flybe is looking to catch a slightly different market to Eastern. Probably more targetted at the leisure and family market, along with some business passengers. Don't forget that there is also a lot of University students from Wales up in that area of the world, i.e. Durham University, which is very prestigious!