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Correct. I'd go by train (Eurostar mainly) to the first two, and fly to Barcelona and train it to wherever concerning Girona.
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“Ryanair continues to lower fares to encourage travel, but with passengers paying lower fares airports must lower their charges – particularly high cost airports like <Name of Bad Airport>. Ryanair had offered new routes, traffic and growth to <Name of Bad Airport>. but since they prefer to preserve their high cost base than to grow, Ryanair will now switch/close <Name of Bad Airport>. to <Name of Good Airport>. from 1st October next resulting in the loss of <Any number> passengers p.a. and up to <Any number> jobs at <Name of Bad Airport>.
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Implications for people of Manchester
I'd like to know what are the implications for people in Manchester. To go to Liverpool, Leeds and E. Midlands what kind of commuting is involved?
I'm wondering will it be to Ryanair's benefit more that it has three satellite airports rather than one centralised airport(Man) that for the majority would be a pain to travel to 'cause of the nature of the spread out suburbs of Manchester... i.e. those to the North and East go to Leeds and those to the South and West go to Liverpool. Am I right in saying it will be more convenient to many?
Also, in the long term for Ryanair maybe it's best to set a precedent by forcing the airports to minimise fees if the government aren't willing to get rid of the travel tax.... Manchester is unlucky with it's proximity of alternative airports. Dublin hasn't the same issue...
I'm wondering will it be to Ryanair's benefit more that it has three satellite airports rather than one centralised airport(Man) that for the majority would be a pain to travel to 'cause of the nature of the spread out suburbs of Manchester... i.e. those to the North and East go to Leeds and those to the South and West go to Liverpool. Am I right in saying it will be more convenient to many?
Also, in the long term for Ryanair maybe it's best to set a precedent by forcing the airports to minimise fees if the government aren't willing to get rid of the travel tax.... Manchester is unlucky with it's proximity of alternative airports. Dublin hasn't the same issue...
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I'd like to know what are the implications for people in Manchester. To go to Liverpool, Leeds and E. Midlands what kind of commuting is involved?
Manchester are dumb. They should have given in to Ryanair and let the other airlines paying market rates subsidise those lovely Irish chappies. That's the rules innit? Now hundreds/thousands/millions/billions of jobs will be lost thanks to the poor management at MAN who wouldn't give them everything they asked for! Silly men.
In other news, easyJet suddenly looking much closer at a bigger MAN operation.
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Buy an atlas mate!
I know what distances are involved and even what roads to take. Just wanted to know with traffic and public transport will it be a burden to travel to the alternate airports?
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It's the same old press release from Ryanair... moving aircraft... loosing jobs... how bad Manchester airport are.... When are thery going to come up with something worth reading.
Well done to Manchester airport. Why should one airline get reduced fees by threatening to pull out when others should keep on paying published fees! If every airport took a page out of Manchester's book ryanair would be forced to compete fairly with other airlines!
Well done to Manchester airport. Why should one airline get reduced fees by threatening to pull out when others should keep on paying published fees! If every airport took a page out of Manchester's book ryanair would be forced to compete fairly with other airlines!
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Just get the feeling that UK airports generally don't necessarily now like to have the Ryanair cheap and (not so ) cheerful concept around. If the pax are grabbing a low fare, unlikely they are funding other infrastructure elements eg car park, duty free, bar, coffee outlet, restaurant. In other words, it is not worth a long-term subsidy. Better to encourage the other low-cost operators.
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flying shortly,
I think its more complicated than merely the 'commuting' distance as the majority of MAN pax will come from the Region as a whole and further afield. However, to answer your question, if you are travelling from the centre of manchester to LPL there are 2 direct coach connections which take approx 15/20 minutes more than travelling to Man airport. The most regular of the two (which incidentally also serves Man airport and therefore is slower) runs hourly on a 24 hour basis. You can also use a rail link from Man to Liverpool parkway and a dedicated bus from there to LPL airport, although only stopping and semi-fast trains stop there, it does serve West manchester areas better. If travelling from Wigan, then there is a rail service available via Kirkby. If travelling by Road then the M56, M62, M6 corridors are only minutes from the airport. The M60 and some other motorways also link in. However I would imagine that East manchester travellers would have some hassle if using public transport, albeit with only one change in Manchester Piccadilly or Oxford st for either train or coach.
However, both airports have (with some exceptions) an interchangeable catchment area, so although its a bit of hassle in either direction, not majorly so.
I think its more complicated than merely the 'commuting' distance as the majority of MAN pax will come from the Region as a whole and further afield. However, to answer your question, if you are travelling from the centre of manchester to LPL there are 2 direct coach connections which take approx 15/20 minutes more than travelling to Man airport. The most regular of the two (which incidentally also serves Man airport and therefore is slower) runs hourly on a 24 hour basis. You can also use a rail link from Man to Liverpool parkway and a dedicated bus from there to LPL airport, although only stopping and semi-fast trains stop there, it does serve West manchester areas better. If travelling from Wigan, then there is a rail service available via Kirkby. If travelling by Road then the M56, M62, M6 corridors are only minutes from the airport. The M60 and some other motorways also link in. However I would imagine that East manchester travellers would have some hassle if using public transport, albeit with only one change in Manchester Piccadilly or Oxford st for either train or coach.
However, both airports have (with some exceptions) an interchangeable catchment area, so although its a bit of hassle in either direction, not majorly so.
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That leaves Marseille, Bremen and Shannon without direct routes from Manchester as a result of this announcement.
Ryanair way to do business (when I think some people still consider them as genious...
): rubbish customer service, rubbish investments (EI!!!), rubbish HR policy (huge turnover as good people never stay long), rubbish revenue management, rubbish choice of routes (list too long), and at the end, if they are not profitable, everything is because of airports!We all know the low brain airline is having huge discount/incentive from airports (more than any other airline), confirmed by this story, so I am actually amazed how bad their financial performance may be seen, especially if we compare with others airline which don't have this huge level of subsidies/cost reduction!
May they not use a little bit their brain, improving few things here or there? Of course not, they will use the good old recipe: reducing even further airport charges. Today this is clear, Ryanair is only profitable because airports usually agree with what the low brain airline proposes.
It confirms what I always said: Ryanair business model success is only based on the exploitation of the weaker economically: cabin crew and airports.
How simple can be the aviation business when we are Ryanair. For sure they don't need any genious in the head office, the most brutal the better.
At the end, we can say, "there are good to keep their cost low", this is true, but at what costs for airports...
Well done Manchester, and hopefully many airports will follow you to stop the low brain airline to expand. Valencia, Manchester, Fueraventura, already 3 quite big airport refusing Ryanair unbelievable conditions in one year only.
For the aviation future in Europe: thank you Manchester
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Running away when there's the first hint of things not going their own way merely serves to disguise the fact they simply cannot compete when they don't get things on their own terms.
They're quick to jump on the likes of BA and BMI and their 'expensive' fares, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that the Ryanair model just haven't moved with the times and cannot compete when an unplanned external factor gets in their way. In this case, something as simple as a routine operating cost that they obviously can't accommodate in their dying model.
This is all other airlines everywhere 1 - Ryanair Nil.
Interesting times.
They're quick to jump on the likes of BA and BMI and their 'expensive' fares, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that the Ryanair model just haven't moved with the times and cannot compete when an unplanned external factor gets in their way. In this case, something as simple as a routine operating cost that they obviously can't accommodate in their dying model.
This is all other airlines everywhere 1 - Ryanair Nil.
Interesting times.
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rubbish investments (EI!!!)
Oil-rich Norway builds up stake in €2.5bn Elan - Irish, Business - Independent.ie
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A similar thing happened to BHX a few years ago, DUB was reduced and Girona and Murcia were moved to EMA. Look at BHX now in terms of FR. Its only a matter of time before FR are back at MAN.
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Well, Master Dn. That would depend on the rules of said game. Are we defining airport success as increased passenger throughput alone, or does sustainable long-term financial viability merit consideration? Because on Ryanair's terms an airport may quickly find it cannot enjoy both. Amateurs usually favour the former, but aviation business professionals are required to be mindful of the bigger picture. "Winning the game" from MAN's perspective means not alienating the goodwill of the many other carriers operating from the airport. "Winning the game" means prioritizing profitability and protecting revenue streams. "Winning the game" means not undermining your loyal long-term business partners by awarding a sweetheart deal to a single ruthless predatory interloper.
Forget the game. Consider the game, set and match.
Good Luck. SHED.
Forget the game. Consider the game, set and match.
Good Luck. SHED.
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It just goes to prove that they can't compete with the rest on an equal footing as said. Proper airline..Hmmm? My guess is people will not miss them as much as they would have us think. Manchester airport has been around alot longer than they have. Somehow I don't think it will be their downfall! When people actually do the sums and research, they are not going to drive off to EMA to catch a flight to some obscure airport in the middle of nowhere. Roll on Manchester, good riddance grubby low cost airline.
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they are not going to drive off to EMA to catch a flight to some obscure airport in the middle of nowhere.
Within a 2 hour drive from Manchester you have LPL,LBA,HUY,EMA,CVT,BHX so plenty of choice: I'm 10 minutes from EMA, 40 from BHX, 80 minutes from MAN but just about to leave for LTN as, on this occasion, it is more convenient.
