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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 00:30
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leeds 65,

Whoever suggested that I would pay thrice the price for a comfortable ride rather than a shower of sh1te ride?

As I posted previously, I travelled LHR-VIE-LED-VIE LHR for an all inclusive, comfortable ride, fare of GBP156, that's circa 10 hours of flying at GBP15.60 per hour.

Not only that but, on the return, it was a Fokker 70 between LED and VIE that was only circa 25% full and, in banter with the cabin crew, they encoraged me in to an Austrian beer tasting experience, that 3 hour flight passed by and, I'm guessing, I went to the loo a number of times and, guess what, without being charged for it!

Now if I'm paying thrice the price then, anytime soon, you let me know when FR may be operating London to St. Petersburg for a fare, including all the extras including food and drink and going for a pee, of GBP52 (round trip) then please do let me know about it!
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you let me know when FR may be operating London to St. Petersburg for a fare, including all the extras including food and drink and going for a pee, of GBP52 (round trip)
Phileas - I know it's not quite the same, but FR don't fly to LED. As a close proxy I've flown round trips Stansted-Riga-Stansted for £33.26 in 2006 and Stansted-Tampere-Stansted for £38.89 in 2007, including all the miscellaneous charges stuff, with all flights being on a Saturday. And yes, it was all non-stop flights, with no need to go via somewhere else.

I suspect that as an Irish airline, Ryanair will have difficulty securing UK-Russia traffic rights any time soon, but I await the day when MOL pulls some kind of publicity stunt in central St Petersburg to advertise some new routes !
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 09:31
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avoid the carges by using a visa electron, entropay or travelex pre paid card
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 11:38
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Including all fresh food and, heated or chilled appropriately, drinks, internet check-in and seat allocation, a seat back that reclines, not being boarded as if we are cattle taking away our dignity, and multiple loo breaks?
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 12:25
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I suspect that as an Irish airline, Ryanair will have difficulty securing UK-Russia traffic rights any time soon, but I await the day when MOL pulls some kind of publicity stunt in central St Petersburg to advertise some new routes !
Yes, currently Ryanair can only fly from Ireland to Russia (dependent on being granted traffic rights). Unless Russia agree an open skies agreement with the EU, or Ryanair set up a Russian subsidiary, it is unlikely they will ever be able to launch any routes from Russia to anywhere besides Dublin.
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 12:46
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Or a UK subsidiary?

What happened to 'London European', a LTN based operator, that FR bought out donkey's years ago, does one presume FR no longer own that company name?

But at least the Russians have some standards if they don't allow FR in
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 12:50
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I for one am pleased that you cannot recline seats on Ryanair flights. It only annoys the passenger behind and unless it is a long-haul flight (which Ryanair do not operate) then there is no real need to recline your seat!
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 12:53
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not if you're over 6ft
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 13:12
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What happened to 'London European', a LTN based operator, that FR bought out donkey's years ago, does one presume FR no longer own that company name?
Wouldn't have an AOC would be first guess.
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 14:59
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racedo,

In the early days EZY didn't have their own AOC, they operated under Air Foyle's AOC ..... So London European could operate under Ryanair's AOC!
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 15:17
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In the early days EZY didn't have their own AOC, they operated under Air Foyle's AOC ..... So London European could operate under Ryanair's AOC!
But then would make it an Irish Airline so no flight to Russia from UK I am assumming unless cross country AOC's are valid.
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racedo,

It would not make it an Irish Airline, I knew of a Swedish operator operating under British World's AOC but it didn't make that Swedish operator British!

Whilst the operating aircraft might be Irish registered that would be nothing unusual, many airlines around the world have Irish registered aircaft within their fleets and without being denied traffic rights.
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 15:41
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Thanks for clarification. Guess would depend on what Russians saw as valid.

At this point in time I reckon there are lots more fish to fry that getting into Russia as too much hassle with Visas etc getting in and out to make it viable.
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racedo,

Getting a Russian visa is not a hastle, I got my most recent one in a 'same day' application but postal applications are not a problem however this is drifting off the subject whereas had Shower of ***** Air made an effort to provide any level of quality service on the routes, and the customers that may have come and gone, that they have already had then they might be in a position to maintain the frequency of services on those routes, never mind entering in to debate the feasibility of starting new route(s).
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 16:08
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Russians
To my knowledge, relatively many Russians already use FR services, driving their cars across the EU border, mostly to Latvia, Lithuania and Finland (as a starting point). The latter country has offered its Lappeenranta airport as a gate for Russians to the EU (the Russian border is just 10 km from EFLP). Ryanair did held some negotiations but no results so far. Lack of courage?
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Old 24th Jul 2009, 14:29
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Even if Ryanair were to get permission to fly to Russia.

1. They need to find an airport they'd be happy to operate to and where they'd get charged almost zero fees.
2. The government would impose a minimum price stipulation on key routes. Example: St. Petersburg - London tickets cannot be cheaper than 200 euro
So it doesn't become interesting anymore for Ryanair to launch such a route.


ASIDE: MyAir
Italian airline MyAir
myair.com, vola a prezzi strepitosi in Italia ed Europa
has gone tits-up. Other airlines (like Ryanair, Easyjet, Alitalia, Wind Jet, Blue Air) in their markets are no doubt the only winners here
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Old 24th Jul 2009, 14:36
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Originally Posted by Charlie Roy
Example: St. Petersburg - London tickets cannot be cheaper than 200 euro
1. FR are not going to fly many routes outside of the EU from the UK - Morrocco is probably as far as it will go simply because of the above charge. Other bases will probably benefit more.

2. The ADP in the UK is £10 - I paid £2 last week for a flight to Dublin and back in September from Manchester.
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Old 24th Jul 2009, 15:09
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Here's one firmly from "the unsubstantiated rumours from non experts" file ...

I was in South Africa a few weeks back and "the world on the street" amongst the taxi and coach drivers we encountered was that Ryanair (most mentioned them by name, others said " a European Airline") were sending aircraft down there to provide the necessary capacity during the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

JAS
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Old 24th Jul 2009, 17:19
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Well when I flew LHR-VIE-LED-VIE-LHR ealier this year the fare was:

Price information:
Fare: GBP 39.0
Taxes and charges: GBP 117.6
Total: GBP 156.6

Now dividing the 4 sectors equally that would make the fare between LED and VIE £9.75.

So whoever has been dreaming that the Russians wouls stipulate a minimum fare of €200.00 or whatever?
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