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What difference does Russia make as opposed to another non EU destination or, indeed, former FSU destination!
The 'orange' brigade do flights UK to (non EU) Turkey, all inclusive, for circa £31.00, a one way fare from LGW to KBP (Ukraine) with UIA is:
Fare per person 58.00
Taxes & Charges 52.20
Ticket issuance charge 3.00
Totals 113.20
The only tax penalty out of UK might be for flights from/to LHR where there's something like a GBP50 tax, other than that it makes no difference where the destination may be.
What difference does Russia make as opposed to another non EU destination or, indeed, former FSU destination!
The 'orange' brigade do flights UK to (non EU) Turkey, all inclusive, for circa £31.00, a one way fare from LGW to KBP (Ukraine) with UIA is:
Fare per person 58.00
Taxes & Charges 52.20
Ticket issuance charge 3.00
Totals 113.20
The only tax penalty out of UK might be for flights from/to LHR where there's something like a GBP50 tax, other than that it makes no difference where the destination may be.
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2. The government would impose a minimum price stipulation on key routes. Example: St. Petersburg - London tickets cannot be cheaper than 200 euro
The difference between European and other rates of APD is (until autumn 2009) based on a rather contrived definition as to what constitutes Europe. Details can be found in notice 550 from HMRC.
Turkey is deemed to be part of Europe, as are places like the Azores, Canary Islands and Gibraltar. However, Belarus, Moldova, Russia and Ukraine are not deemed to be within Europe and attract the higher rate of APD.
Turkey is deemed to be part of Europe, as are places like the Azores, Canary Islands and Gibraltar. However, Belarus, Moldova, Russia and Ukraine are not deemed to be within Europe and attract the higher rate of APD.
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Well if what you guys say is correct then there comes the advantage of taking an intermediary stop and in my travels to ex USSR I have transitted via such airports as AMS, DUS, BUD, VIE, IST etc.
Now if UK charge these 'discrimatory' taxes whilst other EU nations do not then I wonder why they call it 'Rip Off Britain'!
Now if UK charge these 'discrimatory' taxes whilst other EU nations do not then I wonder why they call it 'Rip Off Britain'!
Apologies if this is rather off-topic, but I thought an explanation of APD here might be warranted.
Phileas - HMRC is rather more alert than one might have hoped.
If for example you fly Heathrow-Vienna-St Petersburg, and you have a connection time in Vienna of (essentially) under 24 hours, then the non-European rate of APD needs to be paid - i.e. £40 and not £10. Thus, unless you are prepared to spend more than 24 hours between 2 flights, whether you fly direct or not has no impact on the APD due.
It should also be noted that most airlines deem a break of 24 hours or more as a stopover, and will frequently charge a higher price for the privilege.
This alas means that if you want to fly to Russia / Ukraine, there is little or no point in choosing to fly via a 3rd country unless you wish to acti8vely spend some time in that 3rd country - you either pay more in tax, or you pay more to the airline.
You can find out more about the current scheme at
HM Revenue & Customs
The rules on what consitutes a connecting flights are described in sections 3 and 4
The APD scheme will of course change on 1 November 2009
Phileas - HMRC is rather more alert than one might have hoped.
If for example you fly Heathrow-Vienna-St Petersburg, and you have a connection time in Vienna of (essentially) under 24 hours, then the non-European rate of APD needs to be paid - i.e. £40 and not £10. Thus, unless you are prepared to spend more than 24 hours between 2 flights, whether you fly direct or not has no impact on the APD due.
It should also be noted that most airlines deem a break of 24 hours or more as a stopover, and will frequently charge a higher price for the privilege.
This alas means that if you want to fly to Russia / Ukraine, there is little or no point in choosing to fly via a 3rd country unless you wish to acti8vely spend some time in that 3rd country - you either pay more in tax, or you pay more to the airline.
You can find out more about the current scheme at
HM Revenue & Customs
The rules on what consitutes a connecting flights are described in sections 3 and 4
The APD scheme will of course change on 1 November 2009
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OPO Base
According to the winter timetable the morning flight to BVA will not be operated by a OPO based aircraft, but a W operation.
Until now the route BVA - OPO was a W operation, PIK-BVA-OPO-BVA-PIK.
This winter a similar operation, but starting in Skavsta:
NYO-BVA-OPO-BVA-NYO.
This means that we have a early daily operation to fullfil.
New route or a existing route operated by a OPO plane. STN? BHX?
Until now the route BVA - OPO was a W operation, PIK-BVA-OPO-BVA-PIK.
This winter a similar operation, but starting in Skavsta:
NYO-BVA-OPO-BVA-NYO.
This means that we have a early daily operation to fullfil.
New route or a existing route operated by a OPO plane. STN? BHX?
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I think the higher rate of APD only applies if you book a through ticket, if you take your chance on connections then you'll only be charged the inter European rate, where you go after you have landed in AMS is non of HMRC business nor should it be. In my view the UK current position on APD is not sustainable, it reminds me of the hike's in duty on road fund licence, which contributed to a collapse of in sale for Jaguar/Land Rover, followed by bailout and the car scrapage scheme, if things are as bad at BA as WW alleges, then how long before the goverment either relents or bails them out.
Of course MOL made the APD a target when he gave the impresion that you could fly anywhere in Europe for 99p this got the Greens wound up big style and then Commrade Gobo Broon thought i'll have some of that to fund "Schoools n Hospitals" and show my green bits too (read second homes allowance, duck house's and plasma telly's)
The fact that Ryanair/Easyjet fly modern fleets and fill the aircraft and (in Easyjet's case) contribute to the European construction of Airbus jobs and pay taxes in the Uk (unlike Ryanair) who increasingly employee contractor's who many, i understand? are paid gross and pay little or no tax as they hop round Europe with Ryanair's musical base swaps. Meanwhile you pay the same duty to fly on a vintage aircraft with the likes of Jet2 or baby or on a near empty domestic LHR with bmi or BA
How can it be a green tax when cargo pays nowt? nor biz jets with one pax on it, it needs a rethink or better still scraping
Of course MOL made the APD a target when he gave the impresion that you could fly anywhere in Europe for 99p this got the Greens wound up big style and then Commrade Gobo Broon thought i'll have some of that to fund "Schoools n Hospitals" and show my green bits too (read second homes allowance, duck house's and plasma telly's)
The fact that Ryanair/Easyjet fly modern fleets and fill the aircraft and (in Easyjet's case) contribute to the European construction of Airbus jobs and pay taxes in the Uk (unlike Ryanair) who increasingly employee contractor's who many, i understand? are paid gross and pay little or no tax as they hop round Europe with Ryanair's musical base swaps. Meanwhile you pay the same duty to fly on a vintage aircraft with the likes of Jet2 or baby or on a near empty domestic LHR with bmi or BA
How can it be a green tax when cargo pays nowt? nor biz jets with one pax on it, it needs a rethink or better still scraping
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Air transport is responsible for 1.8% of global CO2 emissions: rail and shipping accounts for 2.5% but doesn't attract a Passenger Tax.
Even livestock and manure accounts for 5.1% but I don't see the Rabid Socialists taxing cows and sheep!
Even livestock and manure accounts for 5.1% but I don't see the Rabid Socialists taxing cows and sheep!
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Reading some of the news about Ryanair cutting back at STN this winter I decided to investigate there schedules, it would seem that they are axing a handful of routes;
Newquay
Almeria
Lamezia
Montpellier
Palermo
Pergpignan
Toulon
Zadar
Some other changes that i noticed
Dublin cut again now down to 7 daily
Knock staying at 2 daily!
Derry down to 4 a week
Oslo Rygge .. new route
Most of the axed routes are arguably summer markets, so obviously nothing to do with charges etc as already discussed on this thread.
Hard to see where the 30/40% reduction is coming from there must be huge cut backs on several routes? Or are the reductions in service reflected yet on the website? With so many less than daily routes it is hard to see the changes.
Newquay
Almeria
Lamezia
Montpellier
Palermo
Pergpignan
Toulon
Zadar
Some other changes that i noticed
Dublin cut again now down to 7 daily
Knock staying at 2 daily!
Derry down to 4 a week
Oslo Rygge .. new route
Most of the axed routes are arguably summer markets, so obviously nothing to do with charges etc as already discussed on this thread.
Hard to see where the 30/40% reduction is coming from there must be huge cut backs on several routes? Or are the reductions in service reflected yet on the website? With so many less than daily routes it is hard to see the changes.
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Printed Boarding Passes
Interesting conversation I had today with a friend who travels frequently by air - almost every week - and mostly flies Ryanair. By astute use of their website he has hardly ever paid more than £20 for a return flight!!! He travels light and reads/abides by the rules (unlike the idiots who always complain afterwards about having to pay extra at the aiport even though they've ticked the box when booking and confirmed they've read them - his words not mine). He hasn't had a single problem other than a couple of severe weather delays that affected all airlines.
But one problem has now arisen he says that, more than anything else, will deter him from flying FR. It seems that on four of his trips his online printed boarding passes failed to scan at Security and he had to go to a check-in desk where they were replaced with no problem and for no fee. His argument is that should a similar event occur next time that he will be charged £40 for a replacement and since he prints both Outward and Return passes at the same time time there is a good chance that both will be faulty and it will cost an extra £80 which he is not willing to risk. But it isn't just the money. It's the worry each time he sets off on his trips.
I did suggest he buy a new printer but that's no guarantee.
Anyway, I had a look at the FR website and this is what it says:
If you do not check-in online you will be required to pay the relevant fee to re-issue your boarding card at the airport.(Euro 40/ GBP 40), this fee is only available for purchase up to 40 minutes prior to the scheduled flight departure
On that basis he would not be charged the extra as it says the fee is payable if you do not check-in online which he would have done in all cases.
The word issue rather than re-issue would be more correct unless, of course, they don't mean what they say.
But one problem has now arisen he says that, more than anything else, will deter him from flying FR. It seems that on four of his trips his online printed boarding passes failed to scan at Security and he had to go to a check-in desk where they were replaced with no problem and for no fee. His argument is that should a similar event occur next time that he will be charged £40 for a replacement and since he prints both Outward and Return passes at the same time time there is a good chance that both will be faulty and it will cost an extra £80 which he is not willing to risk. But it isn't just the money. It's the worry each time he sets off on his trips.
I did suggest he buy a new printer but that's no guarantee.
Anyway, I had a look at the FR website and this is what it says:
If you do not check-in online you will be required to pay the relevant fee to re-issue your boarding card at the airport.(Euro 40/ GBP 40), this fee is only available for purchase up to 40 minutes prior to the scheduled flight departure
On that basis he would not be charged the extra as it says the fee is payable if you do not check-in online which he would have done in all cases.
The word issue rather than re-issue would be more correct unless, of course, they don't mean what they say.
Facelookbovvered - I agree with your point about the higher APD only applying if one books a through ticket. However, in most cases, the saving on the APD is usually outweighed by the increase in the other components of the overall fare. Thus, a customer is incentivised to book a through ticket for a cheaper overall price, with more of the money spent going to HMRC rather than the airline / airports en route. HMRC know this, which is why they manage to get away with this scheme. I doubt HMRC really care *where* exactly you are flying - they care only that they get their money !
ayroplain - tell your mate to print the boarding card twice, once from his computer at home, and once from the computer at the office - I believe that reprinting a boarding card yourself is free. It does however sound like a fault with a printer (or something physical related to it). You can buy a new black+white laser printer for under £50 if you have a search around the web. 2nd hand on Ebay should be rather cheaper.
I'm interested as to how your friend manages to fly so much for under £20 - assuming he has a Mon-Fri job and flies mainly at weekends. Round trips on this fare with almost any other airline are very difficult to obtain, and while I've done a few trips to Hahn for tuppence ha'penny, it's rather more difficult to achieve if visiting the southern Med in summer !
Ryanair are not renowned for getting the wording exactly right on their terms of business - improving the drafting skills of their in-house lawyers would be an idea. While technically you can hold them to it in a court, it's a pain in the b*m to do so, meaning that unless the sum involved is significant or you are *really* cross with them, it's usually not worth the hassle.
ayroplain - tell your mate to print the boarding card twice, once from his computer at home, and once from the computer at the office - I believe that reprinting a boarding card yourself is free. It does however sound like a fault with a printer (or something physical related to it). You can buy a new black+white laser printer for under £50 if you have a search around the web. 2nd hand on Ebay should be rather cheaper.
I'm interested as to how your friend manages to fly so much for under £20 - assuming he has a Mon-Fri job and flies mainly at weekends. Round trips on this fare with almost any other airline are very difficult to obtain, and while I've done a few trips to Hahn for tuppence ha'penny, it's rather more difficult to achieve if visiting the southern Med in summer !
Ryanair are not renowned for getting the wording exactly right on their terms of business - improving the drafting skills of their in-house lawyers would be an idea. While technically you can hold them to it in a court, it's a pain in the b*m to do so, meaning that unless the sum involved is significant or you are *really* cross with them, it's usually not worth the hassle.
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Trust me reprints are given for free if sent back by security and pax can produce their online boarding card, it is only when they say "oh I checked in online but couldn't be bothered printing it etc etc"