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Mr O’Leary hopes to buy up Airbus A380s, which can carry 525 passengers, or Boeing 787 which take 330 people.
Ryanair plans to fly under a new name from ......Dublin, to Florida, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston and New York.
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I might be mistaken but I don't think the government will allow it - I believe airlines will have to declare the inclusive fare in the future. Wasn't listening too closely when I heard it on the radio though.
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What is wrong with a B738 and only 80 seats. 8 pounds might be too cheap for that, but if it goes tits up he can relocate the aircraft with normal seating in the normal network. Saves on a multitude of costs and reduces risks. Try it first and then decide if larger is better.
Don't think I'll hold my breath for this one.....
If MOL is really basing his hopes on 380's becoming available & 787's being freed up I reckon he's on to a loser straight away.
There's way too many large legacy carriers already in the queue having made up-front financial commitments, waiting for 380's for any "spare" production which might become available to be snapped up at bargain basement prices. A big issue with this is that many of the large carriers are start-up "State airlines" from relatively cash rich locations such as the Gulf so they're not likely to cancel orders just because load factors might drop for 12-18 months. MOL's only hope in this respect might be the remaining test/development airframes, but IIRC, Airbus are already fairly well advanced on selling the remaining frames on. One other minor point is that I don't recall the airports mentioned in the report as having made any infrastructure pgrades to cope with A380 aircraft.
As for the 787. It still hasn't flown, despite the first flight date being re-scheduled time after time, there's still reports of problems with getting enough materials (bolts etc.) to even think about production ramp-up, let alone full production and on top of it all, Boeing are currently suffering from production floor strikes. Hardly conducive to a step change in production methods and introduction of a major new product stream.
I seriously doubt that there will be a significant number of the traditional transatlantic airframes becoming available, especially the quoted figure of 50 to 60 jumbos, they're simply too valuable on premium routes to go cheaply & they're also in demand for cargo conversion, so I think that's a non-starter. 757's are in short supply, many early airframes are nearing the end of their fatigue lives and the 767 is getting into a similar position, the difference for the 76 is that there appears to be more demand for cargo 76's than cargo 75's.
Whilst it's true that the likes of Continental, Delta, American, BA, Lufty etc. have cut back their transatlantic provision, this is no different from what happened last year, or the year before - it's just the winter seasonal timetable as there's less demand on average to go to cold places when it gets cold & wet here. So I don't see where there's all this extra demand that MOL is hoping to tap into.
To be honest, I'd more expect next gen 737's to be used on the services rather than anything else. They might be small but they should have the range (just)for the routes mentioned especially with a high cost business cabin and a high density steerage cabin (and a tech stop either side of the pond). Let's be honest, MOL has plenty of them available to him just now and more on order - why spend money on someting when you own a usable resource already?
I'll believe that it's serious when it's been running for at least a couple of years, but until then, as far as I'm concerned, it's just another throwaway publicity line.
If MOL is really basing his hopes on 380's becoming available & 787's being freed up I reckon he's on to a loser straight away.
There's way too many large legacy carriers already in the queue having made up-front financial commitments, waiting for 380's for any "spare" production which might become available to be snapped up at bargain basement prices. A big issue with this is that many of the large carriers are start-up "State airlines" from relatively cash rich locations such as the Gulf so they're not likely to cancel orders just because load factors might drop for 12-18 months. MOL's only hope in this respect might be the remaining test/development airframes, but IIRC, Airbus are already fairly well advanced on selling the remaining frames on. One other minor point is that I don't recall the airports mentioned in the report as having made any infrastructure pgrades to cope with A380 aircraft.
As for the 787. It still hasn't flown, despite the first flight date being re-scheduled time after time, there's still reports of problems with getting enough materials (bolts etc.) to even think about production ramp-up, let alone full production and on top of it all, Boeing are currently suffering from production floor strikes. Hardly conducive to a step change in production methods and introduction of a major new product stream.
I seriously doubt that there will be a significant number of the traditional transatlantic airframes becoming available, especially the quoted figure of 50 to 60 jumbos, they're simply too valuable on premium routes to go cheaply & they're also in demand for cargo conversion, so I think that's a non-starter. 757's are in short supply, many early airframes are nearing the end of their fatigue lives and the 767 is getting into a similar position, the difference for the 76 is that there appears to be more demand for cargo 76's than cargo 75's.
Whilst it's true that the likes of Continental, Delta, American, BA, Lufty etc. have cut back their transatlantic provision, this is no different from what happened last year, or the year before - it's just the winter seasonal timetable as there's less demand on average to go to cold places when it gets cold & wet here. So I don't see where there's all this extra demand that MOL is hoping to tap into.
To be honest, I'd more expect next gen 737's to be used on the services rather than anything else. They might be small but they should have the range (just)for the routes mentioned especially with a high cost business cabin and a high density steerage cabin (and a tech stop either side of the pond). Let's be honest, MOL has plenty of them available to him just now and more on order - why spend money on someting when you own a usable resource already?
I'll believe that it's serious when it's been running for at least a couple of years, but until then, as far as I'm concerned, it's just another throwaway publicity line.
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What advertising Weido?
There has been no advertising Weido! The quotation was from an INTERVIEW with MOL! At least for the time being, the government does allow interviews! Cheers bm
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I might be mistaken but I don't think the government will allow it - I believe airlines will have to declare the inclusive fare in the future. Wasn't listening too closely when I heard it on the radio though.
This new rule has kicked in as of yesterday,but no doubt MOL will have a loop hole already found in it!
EU rules aim at clarifying air fares - UPI.com
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And why not ?
Let's wait and see what Michaël O'Leary can offer.
If it's on the same level as the European Ryanair, I'll buy it for sure. Ryanair is inexpensive (I never pay more than 50 euros fot a return ticket, often less than 30 euros), very punctual, enjoyable - and does nearly never lose a baggage.
I think quite a lot of airlines have something to fear, if MOL goes ahead with its plan.
Let's wait and see what Michaël O'Leary can offer.
If it's on the same level as the European Ryanair, I'll buy it for sure. Ryanair is inexpensive (I never pay more than 50 euros fot a return ticket, often less than 30 euros), very punctual, enjoyable - and does nearly never lose a baggage.
I think quite a lot of airlines have something to fear, if MOL goes ahead with its plan.
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You people make me sick 
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If anyone can do this MOL can
.
Look how Ryanair has become one of the largest Airlines in the world
It has grown from a tiny Airline flying a couple of short routes on 732 aircraft to having one of the largest most modern fleets of 738 aircraft
with 100's more on order.
I remember when Ryanair started flights from STN-TSF one of the first routes in its European expansion, people said it would never work the price was to low and the airport is to far out.
Look how wrong people were back then, so many people said 1p flights to
Italy just would not work.
How many people 10 years ago would have thought they could fly to Europe for £10 rtn and before you say it f
k the charges and tax its still well cheap.
So now think what is so unbelievable about £8 to the USA, yer add tax and st and its more than £8 but it will still be the cheapest way to cross the pond by far.
And I bet you any money that the shamless AA and BA wont gang up on FR like they did with MAXJET and EOS by start fake flights to the USA then pull out when they get rid of the threat, Ryanair are stronger than many think and that includes you old timers on here that are stuck in your ways and those that think that BA is the UK flag carrier.
.If anyone can do this MOL can
.Look how Ryanair has become one of the largest Airlines in the world
It has grown from a tiny Airline flying a couple of short routes on 732 aircraft to having one of the largest most modern fleets of 738 aircraft
with 100's more on order.
I remember when Ryanair started flights from STN-TSF one of the first routes in its European expansion, people said it would never work the price was to low and the airport is to far out.
Look how wrong people were back then, so many people said 1p flights to
Italy just would not work.
How many people 10 years ago would have thought they could fly to Europe for £10 rtn and before you say it f
k the charges and tax its still well cheap.So now think what is so unbelievable about £8 to the USA, yer add tax and s
t and its more than £8 but it will still be the cheapest way to cross the pond by far.And I bet you any money that the shamless AA and BA wont gang up on FR like they did with MAXJET and EOS by start fake flights to the USA then pull out when they get rid of the threat, Ryanair are stronger than many think and that includes you old timers on here that are stuck in your ways and those that think that BA is the UK flag carrier.
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Irish have great access to U.S.A at mo! €250 return to Washington with Aer Lingus at moment. I'm surprised they don't advertise more in Britain to attract people there to fly to Dublin and onwards.....
I think it will be a success myself. Personally, I don't mind making a packed lunch and selecting how many bags I take. Put it this way I got a flight for €10 return to London recently and if Ryanair can do the same westwards as it had done eastwards then I'm all in favour. If you want the extras then pay for them.... As an Irish man I would think it imperative that the Irish government give Ryanair and Aer Lingus 'landing fee free' flights out of the likes of Shannon and Knock to incentivise these as European connecter hubs with U.S.A.
But it also seems to me Ryanair has a better service than most other airlines. Did anybody see the documentary on BA recently with all the "cancelled" flights and lost baggage?
I think it will be a success myself. Personally, I don't mind making a packed lunch and selecting how many bags I take. Put it this way I got a flight for €10 return to London recently and if Ryanair can do the same westwards as it had done eastwards then I'm all in favour. If you want the extras then pay for them.... As an Irish man I would think it imperative that the Irish government give Ryanair and Aer Lingus 'landing fee free' flights out of the likes of Shannon and Knock to incentivise these as European connecter hubs with U.S.A.
But it also seems to me Ryanair has a better service than most other airlines. Did anybody see the documentary on BA recently with all the "cancelled" flights and lost baggage?
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Maybe they all hedged fuel at a ridiculous price a few months ago making these aircraft unaffordable.
Now that the price has dropped to less then half they may be 'back in the game' so to speak, for a carrier that has yet to hedge fuel or is about to hedge at a very good price....
I'd like to see the total cost once check in, baggage, food, in flight entertainment, a comfy seat which can recline etc etc is added to the basic price. There's a lot of opportunity to get you on board with a cheapo ticket then screw you once your sitting there for 10hrs. Its not a short hop like in euro land.
Now that the price has dropped to less then half they may be 'back in the game' so to speak, for a carrier that has yet to hedge fuel or is about to hedge at a very good price....
I'd like to see the total cost once check in, baggage, food, in flight entertainment, a comfy seat which can recline etc etc is added to the basic price. There's a lot of opportunity to get you on board with a cheapo ticket then screw you once your sitting there for 10hrs. Its not a short hop like in euro land.
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People who live north of London need this to happen.
What makes transatlantic carriers think that people like flying from
LHR and LGW.
Have you ever tried to drive to eather around the M25.
STN is a much easier place to get to if you live north of London and
East Anglia has a massive catchment area for transatlantic flights.
I wonder how many people flying to the USA from LHR or LGW on a given day would have driven down the M11 passing STN or down the A12.
Yes there is the downside to STN and the lack of Interlined connections
but If I was flying US-UK-EU I would rather collect my bag using point to point flights as it is proven to more than half the chance of you baggage going missing.
If this Airline takes off, arrival and departure times could work well with
passengers for want of a better word connecting off Ryanair and Easyjet flights.
A route that would be a winner would be STN-LAS the only direct flight from LON is with Virgin and the price is way high.
When I went to LAS I flew LGW-YYZ/BUF-LAS with Southwest and there were over 10 people on the LAS flight from the UK.
Many people from the UK get a flight to the US say NewYork then transfer
to lowcost airlines such as Southwest and JetBlue to destinations all over the US so why not the other way for Americans flying to europe.
What makes transatlantic carriers think that people like flying from
LHR and LGW.
Have you ever tried to drive to eather around the M25.
STN is a much easier place to get to if you live north of London and
East Anglia has a massive catchment area for transatlantic flights.
I wonder how many people flying to the USA from LHR or LGW on a given day would have driven down the M11 passing STN or down the A12.
Yes there is the downside to STN and the lack of Interlined connections
but If I was flying US-UK-EU I would rather collect my bag using point to point flights as it is proven to more than half the chance of you baggage going missing.
If this Airline takes off, arrival and departure times could work well with
passengers for want of a better word connecting off Ryanair and Easyjet flights.
A route that would be a winner would be STN-LAS the only direct flight from LON is with Virgin and the price is way high.
When I went to LAS I flew LGW-YYZ/BUF-LAS with Southwest and there were over 10 people on the LAS flight from the UK.
Many people from the UK get a flight to the US say NewYork then transfer
to lowcost airlines such as Southwest and JetBlue to destinations all over the US so why not the other way for Americans flying to europe.
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The way I see it there is a fair chance that they could in fact be looking at some trans atlantic flights now.
The new FTL's that take effect soon seem to have taken long haul into account.
I would say If it were to happen, it could kick off with 737-800's with 150 seats. This would give plenty of room for the pax, and max range.
It would cost very little to try, if it works they can order bigger airframes. If it doesn't, they just reconfigure them to 189 pax and pull them back into european work.
The new FTL's that take effect soon seem to have taken long haul into account.
I would say If it were to happen, it could kick off with 737-800's with 150 seats. This would give plenty of room for the pax, and max range.
It would cost very little to try, if it works they can order bigger airframes. If it doesn't, they just reconfigure them to 189 pax and pull them back into european work.
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Ryanair could test the water before bigger airframes are sought
for the NEW Airline, however the Business class section with beds
and showers would'nt work on a 738.
Might just be a coincidence but the Ryanair route map does show the USA.
I do know that MOL is very fond of 757's maybe afew more of them about.
for the NEW Airline, however the Business class section with beds
and showers would'nt work on a 738.
Might just be a coincidence but the Ryanair route map does show the USA.
I do know that MOL is very fond of 757's maybe afew more of them about.
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I have never had a problem with legroom on FR 
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however MYT to YYZ was awful
(A330)
It wont be Ryanair anyway, it will be MOL and I am sure that the seat
pitch will be thought about after all they will be trying hard to pinch
PAX from BA and VS.
.however MYT to YYZ was awful
(A330)It wont be Ryanair anyway, it will be MOL and I am sure that the seat
pitch will be thought about after all they will be trying hard to pinch
PAX from BA and VS.
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I don't believe the line that long haul will be a new company run by M'ol.
He won't be leaving FR any time soon, and why would he want to risk starting again when he already has all he could ever want.
I know this was put about by him but I think this line is just a smoke screen.
Apart from this, the credit crunch would make things more dificult to start from scratch these days. 737's i think, backed by FR's cash!
He won't be leaving FR any time soon, and why would he want to risk starting again when he already has all he could ever want.
I know this was put about by him but I think this line is just a smoke screen.
Apart from this, the credit crunch would make things more dificult to start from scratch these days. 737's i think, backed by FR's cash!
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I hope this works out. There is no reason why it wouldnt work. The amount of passengers that they could tap into coming through STN that could then get connection to USA is huge. Good points brought up about the lack of airframes but Im sure MOL has a plan. Love or hate him he runs an excellent business. And I dont know why people slag Ryanair off who have never flown with them. I've been all round Europe thanks to them, I use them regularly domestically as they are quicker and more punctual and reliable than our useless useless overpriced rail network, and most times for a fiver or so, in total. Good luck Ryanair!