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Load factor
Forgive if I'm mistaken, but...
The purpose of load factor is to give a measure of how many available seats were sold for revenue that can be recognised formally in the accounts.
On many airlines (e.g. full service carriers), many tickets sold are refundable after the plane has departed. Because a customer need not apply for a refund until quite a while later, it is not possible in any given calendar month to know exactly how many refunds will need to be given. The easy way to measure how many seats are sold with recognisable revenue is to count physical bums on seats - thus load factor. Perhaps overly conservative as a measure but very easy to measure.
If as with Ryanair, an airline has a policy of never selling tickets that can be refunded / changed after a missed departure, the proportion of earned seats is probably a better measure of how well sales are going between months or years. Treating this as equal to load factor however is not correct.
My bugbear is when seats are sold for 1 penny or 1 eurocent. Because money changes hands and thus there is consideration, the law recognises this as a contract and thus a ticket is legally deemed to have been sold. Treating these as earned seats in monthly reporting I think is incorrect.
IMHO, an airline should count only seats where the total sale price is at least the value of Govt tax, airport charges and any other obligatory fees on a per pax basis - a sale price below that should be reported as a non-revenue or subsidised ticket
The purpose of load factor is to give a measure of how many available seats were sold for revenue that can be recognised formally in the accounts.
On many airlines (e.g. full service carriers), many tickets sold are refundable after the plane has departed. Because a customer need not apply for a refund until quite a while later, it is not possible in any given calendar month to know exactly how many refunds will need to be given. The easy way to measure how many seats are sold with recognisable revenue is to count physical bums on seats - thus load factor. Perhaps overly conservative as a measure but very easy to measure.
If as with Ryanair, an airline has a policy of never selling tickets that can be refunded / changed after a missed departure, the proportion of earned seats is probably a better measure of how well sales are going between months or years. Treating this as equal to load factor however is not correct.
My bugbear is when seats are sold for 1 penny or 1 eurocent. Because money changes hands and thus there is consideration, the law recognises this as a contract and thus a ticket is legally deemed to have been sold. Treating these as earned seats in monthly reporting I think is incorrect.
IMHO, an airline should count only seats where the total sale price is at least the value of Govt tax, airport charges and any other obligatory fees on a per pax basis - a sale price below that should be reported as a non-revenue or subsidised ticket
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The main job of cheap tickets is to make money from what would be wasted seats. Ryanair go past this point where seats are sold at a loss not even covering the marginal costs of the extra pax with bags.
The load factor has to be controlled to keep the share price up. I guess the real load factor is 10-20% less this time of year.
The load factor has to be controlled to keep the share price up. I guess the real load factor is 10-20% less this time of year.
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What is very interesting - is to see whether Ryanair increase the % at which they oversell their flights. They currently sell to 196 on high frequency routes (usually AM). You can see up to 60 no shows on these flights. That could be 60 less fly to win scratch cards!
FR overbooking
I only know what is publicly available, but the company website states:
'Ryanair is the only airline in Europe that does not overbook its flights; therefore Ryanair has eliminated the possibility of passengers being denied boarding as a result of overbooking.'
Ryanair.com - About Us - Passenger Charter (section 9)
As far as I know, a 737-800 cannot take more than 189 pax
Can one reconcile this with selling to 196 pax, is there something I'm missing, or am I just being a little naive in taking things at face value ?
'Ryanair is the only airline in Europe that does not overbook its flights; therefore Ryanair has eliminated the possibility of passengers being denied boarding as a result of overbooking.'
Ryanair.com - About Us - Passenger Charter (section 9)
As far as I know, a 737-800 cannot take more than 189 pax
Can one reconcile this with selling to 196 pax, is there something I'm missing, or am I just being a little naive in taking things at face value ?
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From Brussels:
For some tome FR did pretend to comply with the rules, but due to their totally incapable software the site's faltering has worsened again and at present (what a surprise!)... taxes/fees are not showing any more! Wouldn't it be much easier just to show the total price from the very beginning?
The European Union's consumer chief gave some of Europe's top airlines a final warning to stop misleading consumers or face possible fines and having their websites shut down. EU Consumer Commissioner Meglena Kuneva will give airlines who mislead or rip off customers until the end of the year "to clean up their act" or she will begin legal proceedings in January, a European Commission official said.
"She has run out of patience and will tell the airlines that this is the last chance saloon for them," the official said.
"She has run out of patience and will tell the airlines that this is the last chance saloon for them," the official said.
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My guess is that FR will overbook by 4 pax, so the highest the flight could be overbooked at is 193. Why?
Because those 4 pax are actually staff traveling, on staff tickets, and if the flight is fully loaded, then the said 4 can be seated in the spare jump seats (2 at the rear of the a/c, 2 in the flight deck)
Just my guess.
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Because those 4 pax are actually staff traveling, on staff tickets, and if the flight is fully loaded, then the said 4 can be seated in the spare jump seats (2 at the rear of the a/c, 2 in the flight deck)
Just my guess.
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Because those 4 pax are actually staff traveling, on staff tickets, and if the flight is fully loaded, then the said 4 can be seated in the spare jump seats (2 at the rear of the a/c, 2 in the flight deck)
Ryanair staff tickets are stand by tickets, whatever the number of overbookings. If the flight has no overbooking and 189 paid PAX, there could be anyway 20 staff tickets that will wait at the boarding gate
I said that few posts again, Ryanair lie again to its passengers, by saying that officially they don't overbook, whereas indeed, they overbook many flights.
Usual Ryanair bull****, but who's surprised???
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Its clear non of you work for Ryanair. Dont guess, why dont you try asking? the STN-DUB is sometimes over booked by 2, becuase you can be sure that 2 pax will be a no show. And the other 2 pax (paz 190&191) could always be put onto the next flight, which is little over an hour later.
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FR to MAH next year?
In English: Next year there will be a lot more LCC at MAH, said the tourism officer of Menorca, Lazaro Craido. New routes with Ryanair, Jet2, Aer Lingus or Monarch.
Im kommenden Jahr werden wesentlich mehr Billigflieger den Flughafen von Menorca anfliegen als in diesem. Das gab der Tourismusabgeordnete vom Inselrat Menorca, Lázaro Criado bekannt. So gibt es neue Verbindungen der Airlines Ryanair, Jet2.com, Air Lingus oder Monarch.
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Black day for Blackpool
FR has announced plans to quit Blackpool International Airport.
The shock move comes just a few days after the airport decided to introduce a £10 airport development fee from January 5 next year.
Airline bosses will halt daily flights to Dublin and the three times a week flights to Girona, the day before the charges are due to be brought in.
More in the Blackpool Gazette.
The shock move comes just a few days after the airport decided to introduce a £10 airport development fee from January 5 next year.
Airline bosses will halt daily flights to Dublin and the three times a week flights to Girona, the day before the charges are due to be brought in.
More in the Blackpool Gazette.
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Is there anyone in the know about credit card bookings, and who to approach on the inside. RYR offer bookings using a VISA Debit card: except it is not accepted and a full VISA card booking has to be made using the same card at higher cost.
Easyjet does accept this same card as VISA Debit card at the reduced cost. Seems like a good earner if you can get away with it. I heard MOL, on HardTalk, defend his outragious C.C charges with the response that VISA Electron are free and he can supply those. However, I also heard that these are not always so easy to come by. Does anyone have one and are there any hiddens costs, e.g. initial application etc, or annual fees?
Easyjet does accept this same card as VISA Debit card at the reduced cost. Seems like a good earner if you can get away with it. I heard MOL, on HardTalk, defend his outragious C.C charges with the response that VISA Electron are free and he can supply those. However, I also heard that these are not always so easy to come by. Does anyone have one and are there any hiddens costs, e.g. initial application etc, or annual fees?
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Airline bosses will halt daily flights to Dublin and the three times a week flights to Girona, the day before the charges are due to be brought in.
Shame.....
a full VISA card booking has to be made using the same card at higher cost
Booked recently for a day out STN-DUB in Jan, and would have only paid £8 for 4 of us return, but £32 (£4 per pax per sector) was added as this supposed "credit card" charge.
So, £40 for a day trip to Eire is still cheap as chips, but it does rankle a bit that the good old "harps" have to disguise things in this way - I do of course understand they have to cover costs outside their control, so why not just be honest!
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If you work for Ryanair you should know very well FR do overbook. As I said - to 196 is the most I have ever seen a flight. Mostly on UK DUB routes.
Yes as a policy FR do not overbook flights - not on most occasions like other airlines. However, each flight is set up in openskies to sell to a certain level. This can be up to 196.
If you work for Ryanair you should know very well FR do overbook. As I said - to 196 is the most I have ever seen a flight. Mostly on UK DUB routes.
Yes as a policy FR do not overbook flights - not on most occasions like other airlines. However, each flight is set up in openskies to sell to a certain level. This can be up to 196.
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Ryanair do not accept visa debit, however, visa electron, (a debit card too) is accepted. It seems most banks dont offer such a card, but I have taken one with Halifax to use for Ryanair bookings.
When the pr people at FR are approached on the subject of credit card charges they can say well if you have electron you can avoid the charges. I think if the volume were significant then FR would implement a charge too!!!
Ryanair do not accept visa debit, however, visa electron, (a debit card too) is accepted. It seems most banks dont offer such a card, but I have taken one with Halifax to use for Ryanair bookings.
When the pr people at FR are approached on the subject of credit card charges they can say well if you have electron you can avoid the charges. I think if the volume were significant then FR would implement a charge too!!!