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So FR setting up at BRS with 13 new routes, many I would imagine on the BHX wish list (if such a thing exists.....). So come on then, who at BHX is going to rise to the challenge and spread their wings away from bucket and spade?? No-one me thinks, after the 'fall out' with FR, BHX are paying the price of getting into bed with a now overstretched FlyBe (whose heart lies elsewhere) and a Baby that seems to be on a cautious grow slow (but at least theres some grow!!). I know FR strike a tough deal for airports and have a take it or leave it approach to negotiation but wherever they go pax do seem to follow, surely that must count for something. Well done BRS!! Maybe EI would now be tempted to be the BHX filling in an FR EMA-BRS sandwich, who knows? Or maybe BHX will now try for more long haul as it would seem it is getting stuffed on short haul - I read today in TTG that Delta are actively looking to start flights from another UK regional airport next year..................heres hopin!!
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I believe BHX are not that bothered about Ryanair as they are more hassle than they are worth. The priority seems to be get the extension and look at long haul routes, competing with MAN rather than the smaller airports dominated by the lo costs.
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More long haul at BHX is a sure fine idea but doesn't that rely on the runway extension that has been talked about since the 70's as well as major improvements to T1 and the Int Pier - realistically even if all that work started tomorrow it would be at least a year before the effects of any new long haul services were felt. As far as i'm aware (please correct if wrong) BHX is still a long way from starting the runway extension. In any case, exactly how much demand is there for a more long haul flights from BHX?? I know that EK and AI are doing OK and more flights are needed to the US, but where else? I would be very happy to think that BHX are planning 'big' for the long term but whilst doing so they are missing whats happening here and now - and thats falling pax figures, a static long haul network, a seemingly contracting short haul network and an increasingly better choice of routes at other airports located not a million miles away. And if FR are that much hassle then why do airports go so out their way to get them in............
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And if FR are that much hassle then why do airports go so out their way to get them in............
It's been said by various people before that Ryanair basically want to fly into an airport for free, not ideal when you have a runway extenstion, new pier etc to pay for.
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Passenger numbers are not everything.
Red and black ink on the balance sheet matters more.
Accepted that growth is needed in most companies but not at the cost of profit.
Most of EMA growth is Ryanair, without them numbers would have continued down. It will be interesting to see how Sterling do there. They do not have the same name and image as Ryanair in the UK. My guess is not very good.
At least BHX does not have all the eggs in one basket.
Lets be fare to them and see what happens for this winter when they say they may have replacements for the Bacon flights.
If there is nothing feel free to draw them over the coals.
As for long haul I think that you can forget that for the time being.
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Red and black ink on the balance sheet matters more.
Accepted that growth is needed in most companies but not at the cost of profit.
Most of EMA growth is Ryanair, without them numbers would have continued down. It will be interesting to see how Sterling do there. They do not have the same name and image as Ryanair in the UK. My guess is not very good.
At least BHX does not have all the eggs in one basket.
Lets be fare to them and see what happens for this winter when they say they may have replacements for the Bacon flights.
If there is nothing feel free to draw them over the coals.
As for long haul I think that you can forget that for the time being.
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And if FR are that much hassle then why do airports go so out their way to get them in............
BHX will have the extension and infrastructure works completed by 2012. Thats the target anyway. The demand for Long Haul is there. A business study found that a huge amount of business clients send their people to Heathrow and Manchester and would rather fly them locally if they had the choice.
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What's happened with ICTS?
Read this in the local press - talk around the airport of a TV expose in the offing. Seems knives are out for ICTS and they haven't helped matters with standards
Press extract
"SEVERAL staff working at Birmingham International Airport have been suspended following a probe into security, airport bosses have revealed.
Bosses at The Airport Company, which runs the airport, said a number of staff had been suspended following allegations involving contractor ICTS.
ICTS provides security services for several airlines at the Bickenhill airport. A spokeswoman at the airport today remained tight-lipped over the nature of the allegations.
A statement read: "The Airport Company has been made aware, from a news agency, of allegations relating to the activities of ICTS - a third party contractor operating at Birmingham International Airport.
"An investigation has been launched with the contractor involved and the regulatory authorities. The allegations made relate to the contractor's provision of specialist security services to a small number of airlines at the airport.
"A number of the contractor's staff have been suspended while the investigations continue.
"The Airport Company's own security processes were not the subject of the allegations made.
"BIA's passenger security screening - used by everyone - does not form part of the investigation, nor does anyone in BIA's security department."
A Department for Transport spokesman said they had been made aware of the allegations. No-one was available for comment from ICTS."
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"SEVERAL staff working at Birmingham International Airport have been suspended following a probe into security, airport bosses have revealed.
Bosses at The Airport Company, which runs the airport, said a number of staff had been suspended following allegations involving contractor ICTS.
ICTS provides security services for several airlines at the Bickenhill airport. A spokeswoman at the airport today remained tight-lipped over the nature of the allegations.
A statement read: "The Airport Company has been made aware, from a news agency, of allegations relating to the activities of ICTS - a third party contractor operating at Birmingham International Airport.
"An investigation has been launched with the contractor involved and the regulatory authorities. The allegations made relate to the contractor's provision of specialist security services to a small number of airlines at the airport.
"A number of the contractor's staff have been suspended while the investigations continue.
"The Airport Company's own security processes were not the subject of the allegations made.
"BIA's passenger security screening - used by everyone - does not form part of the investigation, nor does anyone in BIA's security department."
A Department for Transport spokesman said they had been made aware of the allegations. No-one was available for comment from ICTS."
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They are truly awful. I don't blame the staff but the management and organisation of the people that have taken on the Airfield security role is abysmal.
We have to tell the staff what is required of them when we go through security points. It really is worrying.
We have to tell the staff what is required of them when we go through security points. It really is worrying.
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Agreed Call - you just can't blame staff recently employed at £6.30 an hour for serious management and organisational failings.
However, surely those who perch in the hallowed tower at Diamond House surely MUST take some responsibility for the level of training, management of contract and expectations of the new contract if it fails in standards so early.
Also - I dont recognise the statement by BHX "spokeswoman" that the allegations relate to
"""contractor's provision of specialist security services to a small number of airlines at the airport""
The truth is ICTS provide a darn sight more than this at BHX and is there any point pretending otherwise?
However, surely those who perch in the hallowed tower at Diamond House surely MUST take some responsibility for the level of training, management of contract and expectations of the new contract if it fails in standards so early.
Also - I dont recognise the statement by BHX "spokeswoman" that the allegations relate to
"""contractor's provision of specialist security services to a small number of airlines at the airport""
The truth is ICTS provide a darn sight more than this at BHX and is there any point pretending otherwise?
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Yep agree with you entirely. Let's hope someone somewhere in the hallowed halls does something positive. (
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I can't believe they pass the Government inspections/requirements.
)I can't believe they pass the Government inspections/requirements.
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Air Malta Km Rho flight
Air Malta Km RHO flight had to leave all bags off as the sub leased 737-400 from SAGA Airlines from turkey couldnt cope with the payload really bad pax traveled but no bags.
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Ah - Thanks - I had heard word of a TV involvement.
A big player in the TV expose game - and they come the first couple of weeks of this new contract. On the one side seems unfair - yet sloppy standards ought not to have crept in.
All I can say is i really feel for any of the old airside staff who did a good job - always under pressure to adhere to the rules to the letter or risk the sack. How galling to lose your job and be replaced by this degree of lesser standards. I only hope the people in HIGH places who decided this policy and selected the provider of security services also pay for any breach of the standards with their jobs.
A big player in the TV expose game - and they come the first couple of weeks of this new contract. On the one side seems unfair - yet sloppy standards ought not to have crept in.
All I can say is i really feel for any of the old airside staff who did a good job - always under pressure to adhere to the rules to the letter or risk the sack. How galling to lose your job and be replaced by this degree of lesser standards. I only hope the people in HIGH places who decided this policy and selected the provider of security services also pay for any breach of the standards with their jobs.
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Word is there have been 17 suspensions. Interesting interpretation of the words " a number of staff" by the BHX spokeswoman.A bit of a big number. Mmmm truth....bhx management....truth...bhx management. Bit of a tricky tongue twister to get that one out!
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No bonus again this year then!!!!! They didn't reach the profit targets again. As usual its the ones who keep everything together that lose out.
Those slackers in Diamond house get a different bonus scheme.....Surprise that eh?
Those slackers in Diamond house get a different bonus scheme.....Surprise that eh?
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Feeling a bit disgruntled Call100. Panicking in case your jobs next to be contracted out. Slagging off the opposition won't help. It's money that counts. When the Airports sold you can start slagging off the buyer. Not that it'll do much godd like everyone your a small cog in a big wheel.
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Not true, call100. Most of the DH 'slackers' are part of the same staff group (negotiated staff). You are talking about Middle Managers and BRG, not all of whom live in DH. What you've failed to mention is that this staff group still have the opportunity to pick up £500 over the next 5 months depending on sickness absence - a one off scheme offered because the bonus pool was not created.
I have difficulty with the accuracy of the targets set and the business planning, but I do applaud BHX management for the above. If a bonus pool is not generated, they don't have to offer anything else but have done so in the last two years.
I have difficulty with the accuracy of the targets set and the business planning, but I do applaud BHX management for the above. If a bonus pool is not generated, they don't have to offer anything else but have done so in the last two years.
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Feeling a bit disgruntled Call100. Panicking in case your jobs next to be contracted out. Slagging off the opposition won't help. It's money that counts. When the Airports sold you can start slagging off the buyer. Not that it'll do much godd like everyone your a small cog in a big wheel
Not true, call100. Most of the DH 'slackers' are part of the same staff group (negotiated staff). You are talking about Middle Managers and BRG, not all of whom live in DH. What you've failed to mention is that this staff group still have the opportunity to pick up £500 over the next 5 months depending on sickness absence - a one off scheme offered because the bonus pool was not created.
I have difficulty with the accuracy of the targets set and the business planning, but I do applaud BHX management for the above. If a bonus pool is not generated, they don't have to offer anything else but have done so in the last two years.
I have difficulty with the accuracy of the targets set and the business planning, but I do applaud BHX management for the above. If a bonus pool is not generated, they don't have to offer anything else but have done so in the last two years.
I didn't mention the Absence incentive scheme being introduced for the five months of this summer because it is not part of the Bonus year I was talking about. For that period there is nothing, whether you had any abscences or contributed fully. I suggest before you jump on me you realise where these payments fall in the scheme of things.
So no, I don't applaud them for the scheme they have introduced.