BIRMINGHAM - 4

[huntnhound]

Guidelines eh ? Are they conducting any sort of Security review ?

Ooh Coconutty, you are asking for the moon on a stick

You seriously believe the head of BHX security is going to A) read this
and B) actually answer it?

No mate...too many 110ml tunbes of toothpaste and face cream to confiscate than worry about another aircraft getting torched

PhilBHX is that back into the healthy debate for you or is it still a taboo subject?

Hnh

[B.U.D.G.I.E]

What do the Security staff actually DO during this patrol ?

well call100 who it would appear spends more time on here or than checking the fence......

Two things appear correct...

1 yes its not beyond the chance that at some point some one will and has breached the fence to cause damage...the point is that you will be paying through the nose for "a secure airport with regular patrols and high tech security measures"

2 its really not the place to discuss security arrangements. Where do you lot think they get their ideas from....

[call100]

Originally Posted by B.U.D.G.I.E

well call100 who it would appear spends more time on here or than checking the fence......

Two things appear correct...

1 yes its not beyond the chance that at some point some one will and has breached the fence to cause damage...the point is that you will be paying through the nose for "a secure airport with regular patrols and high tech security measures"

2 its really not the place to discuss security arrangements. Where do you lot think they get their ideas from....

I don't work on Security.....Who are you to judge who spends time where?
I doubt 'they' get there ideas from here! A big mistake thinking 'they' are stupid, whoever 'they' are!
Your first point does not exactly make sense...Sorry..

[B.U.D.G.I.E]

you bit

point is its expensive to pay for a service that is obviously not up to the job....as a result you may find they will move else where (where its cheaper and you get the same service. i e. Nothing. Sorry you get a great fire response. ) in the end you will lose out.. cause unless your a pikey. you pay taxes

[call100]

'You bit'???? mmm very grown up...
Going round in circles a bit now........We'll wait and see....Patience...

[Alvechurch]

Back in November last year we had the strange case of the Birmingham police helicopter and the UFO.
The pilot and two police observers reported the UFO had flown around their aircraft showing two continuous blue/green lights and could have been 'sinister' or someone messing about.
Hmm, perhaps zapping that UFO with their tasers wasn't such a good idea after all. .......

[SilsoeSid]

Alvechurch;

Back in November last year we had the strange case of the Birmingham police helicopter and the UFO.
The pilot and two police observers reported the UFO had flown around their aircraft showing two continuous blue/green lights and could have been 'sinister' or someone messing about.
Hmm, perhaps zapping that UFO with their tasers wasn't such a good idea after all. .......

Plagiarism doesn't expire after a week!
Another attack on a Police Helicopter

Besides, the incident happened on 2 May 2008 not last November.

[OltonPete]

May International Route Analysis

From the CAA (pax figures), acarsd & my records (number of rotations
and aircraft type), 2008 in brackets. Estimates used in some instances.

BRUSSELS/9141(12011)/46 PAX 50%ish
BILLUND/2984(NIL)/115 PAX/61%
COPENHAGEN/6189(7556)74 PAX 75-80%
BERGERAC/991(1112)/45 PAX/58%
BIARRITZ/2936(0)/113 PAX/60%
BREST/319(944)/53 PAX/68%
LA ROCHELLE/481(1192)/48 PAX/62%
LYON/2098(2616)/27 PAX/56%
MARSEILLE/3034(3318)/108 PAX/57%
NICE/3623(6053)/107/76%
PARIS/24970(28765)/42/58%
PERPIGNAN/1845(NIL)/102 PAX/54%
POITIERS/3125(NIL)/120 PAX/62%
TOULOUSE/215(NIL)/54 PAX/69%
DUSSELDORF/11588(13318)/33/53%
FRANKFURT/20132(20695)/58/60%
HAHN/3642(0)/101 PAX/54%
HAMBURG/1945(2794)/37/48%
HANOVER/3796(3454)/49 PAX/62%
MUNICH/7990(10446)/64 PAX/83%
WEEZE/4380(NIL)/122 PAx/64%
STUTTGART/2439(3682)/29 PAX/37%
CORK/5486(10346)/152 PAX/88%
DUBLIN/44552(52513)/130 PAX/71%
KNOCK/4453(6243)/86 PAX/61%
SHANNON/8068(6138)/130/69%
WATERFORD/1785(1814)/34 PAX/52%
BOLOGNA/2276(NIL)/126 PAX/67%
MILAN MXP/3027(3527)49 PAX/44%
OLBIA/1854(NIL)/103 PAX/54%
PISA/2158(2980)/120 PAX/63%
TRAPANI/2030(NIL)/113 PAX/60%
TRIESTE/1642(NIL)/91 PAX/48%
AMSTERDAM/33997(44669)/88 PAX/65%
FARO/13564(13637)/154 PAX/81%
OPORTO/2505(NIL)/139 PAX/74%
ALICANTE/24466(17793)/136 PAX/79%
ALMERIA/4303(4913)/166 PAX/77%
BARCELONA/4506(5856)/113 PAX/80%
GIRONA/3828(4182)/147 PAX/78%
IBIZA/2152(1460)/143 PAX/67%
MAHON/7099(6647)/154 PAX/72%
MALAGA/28206(21017)/148 PAX/79%
MURCIA/13852(15289)/151 PAX/78%
PALMA/21121/19080)/151 PAX/80%
REUS/5768(NIL)/131 PAX/69%
ARRECIFE/2868(1982)/179 PAX/84%
TENERIFE/8079(6357)/183 PAX/86%
GOTHENBERG/1165(1965)/22 PAX/61%
STOCKHOLM NYO/3602(NIL)/139 PAX/73%
OSLO TORP/2237(NIL)/86 PAX/46%
ZURICH/10412(11077)62 PAX/62%
ISTANBUL/3036(NIL)/69 PAX/40-45%
PRAGUE/8874(6923)/106 PAX/66%
KUNAUS/2552(NIL)/142 PAX/75%
BZDGOSZCZ/3042(NIL)169 PAX/89%
GDANSK/2904(NIL)/161 PAX/85%
KATOWICE/5125(NIL)/142 PAX/75%
KRAKOW/5122(NIL)/142 PAX/75%
RZESNOW/2861(NIL)/159 PAX/84%
BRATISLAVA/3629(3489)/140 PAX/74%
DUBAI/31158(28470)/251 PAX/70%
ASHKHABAD/3061(4337)/
AMRITSAR/1036(NIL)/JOINT with ASB would be 114 PAX 60%
ISLAMABAD/8505/7639)/236 PAX/60% ish
NEWARK/8254(9406)/142 PAX/81% 58 sectors
PHILLIDELPHIA/3449(NIL)/123 PAX/71%.

Very good spanish & Polish figures and longhal fair for May.

Some horrors with AMS down 10K, Torp Perpignan & Trieste
still low and Turkish nowhere near a 100 per flight.

flybe also cut STR & MXP but still woeful load factors

Pete

[Guest 112233]

Thanks OP

I know that profit matters but your stats are welcome - thanks

CAT III

[S78]

Amateur analysis of pax figures are pointless unless you are aware of yields/break even points for the various routes and airlines. You're also inconsistent when commenting - flipping between pax numbers and load factors as the mood takes you.

Pax figures are only good for bragging rights between airlines and airports - that's all. Any idiot (MOL?) can sell £5 notes for £1 and say 'look at the number of customers I'm getting'.

How about taking freight into consideration? Thats EK,PK,BE,TK,T5,LX,CO - even ZB and TOM aren't above selling a bit of hold space. There's probably a few more but I'm not at work at the moment so I cannot check.

Maybe if you asked the airlines nicely they'd tell you.......




S78

[volrider]

Bit harsh there S78, Had a bad night

[hammerb32]

I think you're bang our of order there S78, OltonPete consistently does some excellent analysis each month which I would suggest takes a fair amount of time. If you don't like his analysis don't read it but really don't come on here attempting to sound clever and rubbish the work and efforts that are appreciated by many.

[Charlie Roy]

Shannon / Cork

With Ryanair reducing BHX - SNN for the winter, the only winner will be Aer Lingus' ORK - BHX...
Recently there has been a huge reduction in services between Shannon/Cork and Birmingham/EastMidlands.

[undiemole]

Ryanair reductions

With FR threatening to close their SNN base and reduce services from DUB and some UK bases, and move them to Italy, Belguim and Greece, I wonder how this will affect FR's expansion plans at BHX, they are supposed to be basing a further 2 a/c there in October.

[S78]

If you post on a forum......

......then people will read and comment on your work.


I commented on Pete's and a couple of people have commented on mine - that's how a forum works.


Just because someone puts a lot of time and effort into something doesn't mean it's above examination. Let's take one specific - AMS: Down by 10K, but how many of the 33997 who did travel flew with KLM and connected onto other flights? How many on WW booked at the last minute and paid £200+ as a result?

My comments - blunt, admittedly - are valid. We can only know how well an airline is doing once freight and yield are taken into consideration. It doesn't even tell us how well BHX is doing as we have no way of knowing how much the pax spent getting from the entrance to the aircraft.


By all means analyse raw figures, but they carry health warnings.....



S78

[GayFriendly]

S78 - As far as I remember, Pete has never implied that these monthly stats are an indication of profit or how well BHX is doing. They are simply an indication of pax numbers on a route by route basis, simple as.

You are right, no one is above examination and differences of opinion are what keeps this forum alive but I think you are criticising something that he has never actually set out to do. I personally find these figures interesting and I (amongst many others i'm sure) appreciate all his efforts, keep 'em coming Pete!

PS As for FR I have doubted the appearance of any extra based a/c at BHX for a while, I think summer 2010 is the earliest for now, I think that applies to new routes as well....

[Alvechurch]

Siloesid

Plagiarism? I think not.
I can't even find your post so it certainly isn't on this thread.
As for the incident occuring on the 2nd May you may well be correct, however I had googled 'Birmingham Post Police Helicopter' and the first article came up with a UFO story and Nov 24th date at the top.

S78

Got to say that many of us welcome the analysis Pete gives us and appreciate all the work he puts in to produce the figures.

[OltonPete]

May route analysis figures

For all those have thanked me for my efforts much appreciated.

S78 is definitely right about one aspect, if you do post on forums
you have got to expect some flack as there are so many sad
individuals out there waiting to pounce.

If you wanted to be picky you could with a lot of these figures,
such as I have not checked which flights baby used the 735 on
or the 733 thus making all the baby loads technically incorrect
but it is just an overview of what is going on with some routes.

Although I have to admit I did check every EK flight with the
config details I hold to get a fairly accurate load factor - gosh
maybe I am one of those sad individuals!

By the way Amsterdam was down due to one less daily KLM
flight and one less Sunday rotation by Baby. However if I
explained every single aspect like that I would never get to bed!

Pete

[Centre cities]

Stats

Olton Pete

Keep them coming, we all know they are approx and dont take into account yields but are intersting and give a good indication on what is happening.

Thee CAA think that it is worthwhile publishing them in the first place and all that Pete does in drill into them a little more and put more meat onto the bones.

Good on you.

Centre cities

[Avman]

Interesting stuff Olton Pete. Keep 'em coming.