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Szczecin
Another Addition To Birmingham's Routes With Ryanair To Szczecin.
Starts: 28th October
Operates: Tuesday's and Sunday's
Tuesday's
Outbound
Depart BHX: 12:35
Arrive SZZ : 15:40
Flight: FR2186
Inbound
Depart SZZ: 16:05
Arrive BHX : 17:10
Flight: FR2187
Sunday's
Outbound
Depart BHX: 07:20
Arrive SZZ : 10:25
Flight: FR2186
Inbound
Depart SZZ: 10:50
Arrive BHX : 11:55
Flight: FR2187
Starts: 28th October
Operates: Tuesday's and Sunday's
Tuesday's
Outbound
Depart BHX: 12:35
Arrive SZZ : 15:40
Flight: FR2186
Inbound
Depart SZZ: 16:05
Arrive BHX : 17:10
Flight: FR2187
Sunday's
Outbound
Depart BHX: 07:20
Arrive SZZ : 10:25
Flight: FR2186
Inbound
Depart SZZ: 10:50
Arrive BHX : 11:55
Flight: FR2187
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Agree with you entirely with regards to the BA aircraft except that I did quite like the 732. The 319 was great - so sophisticated with the on-board route map compared to what had operated before for BA at BHX. I seem to remember that the original BA plan was to replace them with A318s and always to move the 319s to LHR but, of course, that never occurred and we got the RJ100s - sorry to say but a noisy, cramped little aircraft. I have to say also that Maersk and their successor Duo crews always seemed great too
The future at present seems FR who bearing in mind the majority of their routes have just started are doing pretty well at least in terms of numbers. I wonder if we'll see BA return to the regions? Somehow I can't quite rule in out entirely although as the saying goes, it is idle to speculate!
Scott
Agree with you entirely with regards to the BA aircraft except that I did quite like the 732. The 319 was great - so sophisticated with the on-board route map compared to what had operated before for BA at BHX. I seem to remember that the original BA plan was to replace them with A318s and always to move the 319s to LHR but, of course, that never occurred and we got the RJ100s - sorry to say but a noisy, cramped little aircraft. I have to say also that Maersk and their successor Duo crews always seemed great too
The future at present seems FR who bearing in mind the majority of their routes have just started are doing pretty well at least in terms of numbers. I wonder if we'll see BA return to the regions? Somehow I can't quite rule in out entirely although as the saying goes, it is idle to speculate!
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The route fills the gap on Tuesday when PRG does not operate and the
Sunday service is in place of Krakow.
Krakow now three times a week and still bookable lunchtime but
Palma as suggested in the breakingnews article is delayed until
20th December.
Still one or two gaps to fill in the FR winter schedule - Ski route?
Pete
Sunday service is in place of Krakow.
Krakow now three times a week and still bookable lunchtime but
Palma as suggested in the breakingnews article is delayed until
20th December.
Still one or two gaps to fill in the FR winter schedule - Ski route?
Pete
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FR Scale Back
The Ryanair Scale Back To Certain Airports Will Not Have An Effect At Birmingham According To The Birmingham Post.
Business as usual for Ryanair in Birmingham - Birmingham Post
So We Can Assume Krakow, Palma, Rzeszow Will Still Operate From Birmingham???
Birmingham International Airport said last night that a decision by budget airline Ryanair to cut some of its winter routes and shut down seven of its operations would have no impact on flights at the airport.
So We Can Assume Krakow, Palma, Rzeszow Will Still Operate From Birmingham???
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At the present time RZE & KRK are bookable in November & December.
However the first bookable Palma flight is the Saturday 20th December.
The Palma flight was bookable yesterday and not today, so something
has changed overnight.
Pete
At the present time RZE & KRK are bookable in November & December.
However the first bookable Palma flight is the Saturday 20th December.
The Palma flight was bookable yesterday and not today, so something
has changed overnight.
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Posts 1232 & 1233 now out of date, in fact this one probably is as well 
Palma starts 25/10 and ends a week later and recommences just before
Christmas.
Krakow starts 27/10 for three flights before ending and recommences
just before Christmas.
Rzeszow which is currently operating ends either the end of October
or the first week in November before recommencing just before Christmas.
No change to Bratislava yet, despite SkyEurope pulling out and no change
on KTW despite Wizz stopping CVT. I did not realise KTW is scheduled at four a week but will this increase even more?
Pete
Palma starts 25/10 and ends a week later and recommences just before
Christmas.
Krakow starts 27/10 for three flights before ending and recommences
just before Christmas.
Rzeszow which is currently operating ends either the end of October
or the first week in November before recommencing just before Christmas.
No change to Bratislava yet, despite SkyEurope pulling out and no change
on KTW despite Wizz stopping CVT. I did not realise KTW is scheduled at four a week but will this increase even more?
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Here we go again
Air tax changes ‘put runway plans at risk’
22.07.08
Plans to extend Birmingham Airport’s runway have been put at risk by the Government’s planned changes to air taxes, the Post reports. The changes - the current per passenger tax is to replaced with a plane tax from next November - put the future prosperity of the region at risk by casting doubt on plans for a 400 metre runway extension, the airport claimed.
Birmingham International is planning an ambitious extension to the southern end of the runway, allowing it to cater for long-haul flights including direct flights to India, Africa and the West Coast of America. This would put the West Midlands on a level playing field with other UK regions.
But the airport says that it may become too expensive to launch new flights because of the Government's plans to replace existing air taxes, which are charged per passenger, with a new levy, charging a fixed amount per plane.
The new tax system is designed to penalise airlines which fly half-empty planes, causing more pollution per passenger than a flight which is fully-booked. But a spokesman for the airport said that new routes always take some time to build up passenger numbers, which means that planes may fly with empty seats at first. The Government’s proposals mean that these new flights would be more expensive to run - and may not be economically viable.
The tax reforms have put ‘further stress’ on plans for a runway extension, the airport said in a statement. John Morris, Birmingham International Airport’s Head of Corporate Affairs, told the newspaper: ‘Adding 400 metres to our runway will dramatically increase the capability of the airport and the economic fortunes of the region - by providing the opportunity for direct flights to a host of long-haul destinations’.
‘The Government should be aware of the impacts of the new Aviation Duty. Birmingham Airport’s financial case will become even more challenging, and regional jobs could be jeopardised. The message to Government is, let’s have some clarity.’
22.07.08
Plans to extend Birmingham Airport’s runway have been put at risk by the Government’s planned changes to air taxes, the Post reports. The changes - the current per passenger tax is to replaced with a plane tax from next November - put the future prosperity of the region at risk by casting doubt on plans for a 400 metre runway extension, the airport claimed.
Birmingham International is planning an ambitious extension to the southern end of the runway, allowing it to cater for long-haul flights including direct flights to India, Africa and the West Coast of America. This would put the West Midlands on a level playing field with other UK regions.
But the airport says that it may become too expensive to launch new flights because of the Government's plans to replace existing air taxes, which are charged per passenger, with a new levy, charging a fixed amount per plane.
The new tax system is designed to penalise airlines which fly half-empty planes, causing more pollution per passenger than a flight which is fully-booked. But a spokesman for the airport said that new routes always take some time to build up passenger numbers, which means that planes may fly with empty seats at first. The Government’s proposals mean that these new flights would be more expensive to run - and may not be economically viable.
The tax reforms have put ‘further stress’ on plans for a runway extension, the airport said in a statement. John Morris, Birmingham International Airport’s Head of Corporate Affairs, told the newspaper: ‘Adding 400 metres to our runway will dramatically increase the capability of the airport and the economic fortunes of the region - by providing the opportunity for direct flights to a host of long-haul destinations’.
‘The Government should be aware of the impacts of the new Aviation Duty. Birmingham Airport’s financial case will become even more challenging, and regional jobs could be jeopardised. The message to Government is, let’s have some clarity.’
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Thanks Revo - I spy with my lettle eye a little three wheeled rusty Yellow political bagggage trolly with a kite attached marked pathetic excuses - Preparing the thrust reversers me thinks - The transfer of the tax burden to flights instead of SLF - long Haul re ME - £188.00 last time -means that the reduction in direct costs will be applied to the passenger. I expect this will increase demand on a given route - there is always the business case for an airport to negociate landing charges for a given route with an operator. On the face of it, this is a political Dance Macarbre (sorry abot the spelling) by a management paying the opertunity cost in ecomomic terms of a lack of developement going back 40 years. perhaps the viable demand for long haul travel has never exsisted in reality; in the catchment area of the airport. discuss.
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That's rubbish about no demand for Long haul in the area. So wrong that discussion is not merited.
What the airport wanted in actual fact was clarification of what was intended.
What the airport wanted in actual fact was clarification of what was intended.
The message to Government is, let’s have some clarity.’
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Thanks Call100
The basis underpinning my argument was not that there is no demand for unrestricted long haul demand; to a range of destinations in the airports' catchment area. Its possible to apply that statement to virtually anywhere in the UK. The problem; for a variety of ecomomic, historical and geographical reasons, is that the numbers of people wanting to fly to a given set of long haul destinations; be it end point or staging on to other destinations; in a region may not sustainable at a realistic frequency of operation. I used to regularly (twice / three times yearly),use the service to ORD either stopping there or onward to indianappolis. I see that routes' history as a supporting evedence, but my argument does not only apply to to the US - the flights to hubs in the gulf are doing OK without an extension of the RWY would an 305 meter ext really change things ? .
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Yes. The cities new ties with China, The demand from the Indian sub continent. Growth in Long Haul Charter traffic.
Although hubbing is OK when nothing else is available, the direct approach will always be favoured by passengers.
Your assumption that the airport made the statement in some political attempt at pulling out of the extension is far wide of the mark.
The discussion would be better served if it was about the Governments effects on all Airports/Airlines...
Although hubbing is OK when nothing else is available, the direct approach will always be favoured by passengers.
Your assumption that the airport made the statement in some political attempt at pulling out of the extension is far wide of the mark.
The discussion would be better served if it was about the Governments effects on all Airports/Airlines...
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Thanks again Call100 - I agree about direct being better than hubbing - Using MAN as a example - There has been growth, but not like the sort of route structure;that was envisaged say 10-15 years ago - and that's for the north of the UK - I'm not blaiming any single airline but; even there where runway length is not a limiting factor -( SQ/EK big execptions)- where are those S Africian/ E Coast USA links - As for the anouncement, I hope I'm wrong but the cynic inside me born of experence - call it prejudice if you like -i smell a rat.lurking - lets see if I'm wrong. Only a poor SLF but I understand ecomonics like everyone else.
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Turkish
No official announcement but bi-laterals are sorted apparently and
starts mid December and bookable. This is a timetable from one
booking engine: -
"Outbound: Birmingham to Istanbul Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - Wednesday, December 24, 2008 Operational days = December W 17 T 18 F 19 S 20 S 21 M 22 T 23 W 24 Turkish Airlines (TK 1968) dep:11:30 - Birmingham (BHX) terminal 1 arr:17:25 - Istanbul (IST) terminal I equipment: Boeing 737-800 Turkish Airlines (TK 1970) dep:13:15 - Birmingham (BHX) terminal 1 arr:19:10 - Istanbul (IST) terminal I equipment: Boeing 737-800"
End of quote
Seems fairly hopeful I would say and a major coup considering oil, ecinomy etc. Five times a week.
Pete
starts mid December and bookable. This is a timetable from one
booking engine: -
"Outbound: Birmingham to Istanbul Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - Wednesday, December 24, 2008 Operational days = December W 17 T 18 F 19 S 20 S 21 M 22 T 23 W 24 Turkish Airlines (TK 1968) dep:11:30 - Birmingham (BHX) terminal 1 arr:17:25 - Istanbul (IST) terminal I equipment: Boeing 737-800 Turkish Airlines (TK 1970) dep:13:15 - Birmingham (BHX) terminal 1 arr:19:10 - Istanbul (IST) terminal I equipment: Boeing 737-800"
End of quote
Seems fairly hopeful I would say and a major coup considering oil, ecinomy etc. Five times a week.
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TK conx at IST
Turkish Airlines (TK 1968) dep:11:30 - Birmingham (BHX) terminal 1 arr:17:25 - Istanbul (IST) terminal I equipment: Boeing 737-800 Turkish Airlines (TK 1970) dep:13:15 - Birmingham (BHX) terminal 1 arr:19:10 - Istanbul (IST) terminal I equipment: Boeing 737-800"
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BA Routes and Turkish
Sorry this a few days late but don't forget that in addition to all the aforementioned routes Maersk took the BA flag from BHX to Athens, Venice, Toulouse, Bordeaux and Marseille using either CR7s or the 735 for a couple of seasons (2002-ish if my memory serves me right). In addition my dad flew BA to Kirkwall (Orkney) back in the late 80's on a 748 via Aberdeen.
Great news about Turkish if true, they have very competitive fares, have flown with them before and service was good - it will be nice for me to have another way back to BHX from Muscat apart from EK (whose standards of service both on the ground and in the air I think are slipping). Can also use KL, LH or LX but fares always skyhigh!
Great news about Turkish if true, they have very competitive fares, have flown with them before and service was good - it will be nice for me to have another way back to BHX from Muscat apart from EK (whose standards of service both on the ground and in the air I think are slipping). Can also use KL, LH or LX but fares always skyhigh!
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TK
Turkish Airlines will be launching a 5 times weekly Istanbul
1220/1320 TK1969/1970 320/738 from/to Istanbul
to BHX service on Monday 15 December 2008 - please see
below for the schedule. The service will operate using a mix of Airbus A320's and
Boeing 737-800's with flights timed to connect into Turkish's
"hub" at Istanbul which offers onward connections to Middle
Eastern and Asian destinations - including India
Boeing 737-800's with flights timed to connect into Turkish's
"hub" at Istanbul which offers onward connections to Middle
Eastern and Asian destinations - including India
TURKISH SCHEDULE FROM MONDAY 15 DECEMBER 2008
1020/1120 TK1967/1968 320/738 from/to Istanbul
- operates on Monday and Thursday
- operates on Monday and Thursday
1220/1320 TK1969/1970 320/738 from/to Istanbul
- operates on Tuesday/Friday/Sunday
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Just to add, I still could find no mention of the bhx route on the airline website(English Version).
I checked a few dates on a certain booking engine and they were
all showing as 738's. However it is a laborious process and I only
tried a few sample dates.
Another one for JK to add to his CV?
Pete
I checked a few dates on a certain booking engine and they were
all showing as 738's. However it is a laborious process and I only
tried a few sample dates.
Another one for JK to add to his CV?
Pete
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KBR (Koral Blue) at BHX
ALL
Tomorrows flight is now ops by 763 ecjjj of air europa. Have indicated they can no longer operate the routes and TCX are looking at alternatives for HRG and SSH. Todays was operated by a TU204.
Barry
Tomorrows flight is now ops by 763 ecjjj of air europa. Have indicated they can no longer operate the routes and TCX are looking at alternatives for HRG and SSH. Todays was operated by a TU204.
Barry